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Fisker's affordable all-electric SUV is called 'Ocean'

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#1 ·
Fisker's affordable all-electric SUV is called 'Ocean'

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Fisker's affordable all-electric SUV is called 'Ocean'
The sub-$40,000 vehicle will debut on January 4th, 2020.


Earlier this year, Fisker revealed that it's planning to release a relatively affordable electric SUV in 2021. Now, the automaker has revealed that the vehicle will be called the "Fisker Ocean." Fisker will forego building a showcar and will debut what it says is "a fully running production intent prototype sitting on the actual, completely engineered platform" on January 4th, 2020. It will be private event, but the company promises to put a livestream up that everyone can watch.

The Ocean will have a full-length solar roof to help boost the vehicle's range, and Fisker believes it will provide up to 1,000 extra clean miles a year. It will also use carpeting made from abandoned fishing net waste pulled from oceans, as well as vegan materials for the interior.



Before the vehicle itself debuts, Fisker will launch its mobile app first. You can use the app, which will be available on November 27th, to lease the vehicle with no long-term contracts. Fisker will take early reservations and reveal more details about the vehicle, including its pricing, on the same day. It previously said that the SUV will cost less than $40,000, though, making it one the relatively affordable electric vehicles you can buy. The company also said that Ocean's target range is approximately 250 to 300 miles and that it may come with an 80 kWh lithium-ion battery pack.

The vehicle is scheduled to go into production by the end of 2021, with the first high-volume deliveries slated to happen sometime in 2022.

 
#483 ·
BTW, Edmunds.com does independent testing of EV range claims. They compare their real-world results to the EPA numbers provided by the standard EPA algorithm. The Fisker Ocean came in at tested 358 miles vs its EPA of 360 miles. That places it at #9 of their leaderboard.


 
#519 ·
Yup, I have mine, with about 2200 miles on it so far. Fantastic vehicle. Terrible management.

BTW, a Nissan deal would likely not be a "buyout" and it wouldn't likely be equity. It would likely include a ton of warrants to eventually own equity if things went up. But it would more likely be development money or some other form of non-balance sheet money (no equity, no debt). $1 billion would be a good number, LOL (not happening) and $400MM could be fine for a few years but they'd have to get to something like their original 40,000 units year production kinda number to likely be free-cash flow neutral.

The Company used lots of cash in 2023 but that's because they built inventory. Year end inventory of $538MM on the balance sheet says they have lots of potential cash inflow if they can sell cars. But they can't sell cars if everyone believes they are on the brink of collapse. Headlines love to paint the most dire picture, and they aren't wrong. Except when you see lines like "Fisker says it may go out of business". To be fair, that is a reference to an SEC required disclosure about being a "going concern". Without a new financing and change in spending and an uptick in sales, the company "may be at risk", and they have to say that, given their precarious position. But is it really what Fisker is planning on? I think not. But at this point, reality may be far, far less important than perception. And the perception is problematic. With $200MM annual SG&A, that's too much to absorb into even a 40,000 unit company ($5000 per car). So their only save would be huge volume. I can't say that will happen. Too bad they squandered their "first impression" on stupid minor software issues.

Meanwhile, I love my Ocean. It's a great driver and extremely reliable so far (knocks wood). Maybe it'll be a planter box someday. But I'm still daily driving my Fisker Karma since 2011 and 13 years later, it's still one of my most reliable cars. Go figure.
 
#15 ·
I think you are failing to give credit that Henrik Fisker is more than “anyone with a name”. Even though the Karma ended up being sold off, he brought a car from idea to market in a few years. Other than Tesla, nobody else has really done that. If the original Fisker Automotive had as much capital as Tesla, the first effort may likely still be around. Instead, it still exists, just owned by the Wanxiang group as Karma Automotive. That car exists, is produced in the US, and is well regarded in its latest iteration. So while I agree the EV market is nascent and open, I think you don’t give Henrik enough credit for what he accomplished the first time around.

My Karma, #007 ever built, still runs great and turns heads, even almost 8 years after I took delivery in December 2011. It came out before Tesla, but would have been better off waiting a year or two longer.
 
#26 ·
True, and it still looks good after all these years. If Fisker came out that SUV first though, they'd be a company I could easily ignore.
 
#19 ·
I placed my deposit on a Fisker Ocean, using the new Fisker App. $250 to hold a place in line. Yes, it’s not until 2022, but that’s just around the corner, car-wise.

Fisker is seeking to be something different this time: a”mobility” provider. They are targeting a $379/mo “subscription”, with $2999 down and 30,000 miles a year! Free maintenance and you can turn the car in at any time to cancel the subscription. It’s a wildly different model which should appeal to people who really don’t want to own the car. The App will be the central platform for drivers, offering everything from insurance to delivery and maintenance. IMO, it’s a first step toward an app that could be used for other things like driverless ride sharing, etc.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...ll-digital-experience-unveiled-300965984.html



 
#20 ·
Interesting. That fits my needs almost ideally. Has me thinking hard...

Also, vegan this vegan that :facepalm:
 
#21 ·
Vegan is what the kids want these days... everything sustainable! No steak in your EV!

Funny addendum: I head from the company after my deposit/reservation. According to their Artificial Intelligence marketing system, the system listed me as a "chronic car enthusiast"

Chronic! My wife might agree.
 
#121 ·
Guessing the leather seat option is gonna come out later?

Already have rodents eating the soy based insulation off of wiring harness'.


(soy seat materials have been out for long time now with no reported problems.)

Should do well if everyone else doesnt get there first. Its an fast evolving market.
 
#25 ·
whitejeep1989;113928131 Is that worth a facepalm emoji? What's wrong with the use of the word "vegan" anyway? [/QUOTE said:
Because people (companies) are using a dietary lifestyle to market a steering wheel


“My seat is made from fast food materials.”


It’s ridiculous.


Just sat materials created from sustainable materials. Don’t try to get points by using the overtly over the top Vegan community.


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#28 ·
Because people (companies) are using a dietary lifestyle to market a steering wheel


“My seat is made from fast food materials.”


It’s ridiculous.


Just sat materials created from sustainable materials. Don’t try to get points by using the overtly over the top Vegan community.


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"Vegetarian" is the dietary lifestyle, but vegetarians can still choose to wear leather or other animal derived products.
"Veganism" is the general philosophy of not using animals for their flesh, skin, eggs, or any other by-products.

Also, why is any of this "over the top"?
Why be mad at people choosing not to consume/wear another living creature?

(I am not vegan or vegetarian, BTW)
 
#41 ·
So... 1k miles a year from the solar panel or 2.7 miles a day. That's almost useless. I want to see the math for solar panel charging range (even on a sunny California outing) vs the same vehicle's range without the weight of the solar panel.
 
#43 ·
It’s not meaningful, but it is a small start to a technology that can improve over time. An extra “free” few miles can’t hurt. I have the solar roof on my Fisker Karma, and it’s intent in 2011 was mainly to provide power to run a cooling fan on hot days to keep the battery cool. It does mostly nothing, and the company first offered it as an option, but virtually every customer of the first units ordered the option, so they made it standard on the 3000 or so produced. There exists no Karma without it. I think now on the new Fiskers it’s a design, aesthetic, and conversation piece that can someday grow into something more as battery and PV panel technology evolves. Gotta start somewhere! The first car air conditioners didn’t do much, either. Everything evolves.
 
#64 ·
I don't disagree, but the option for "animal-free" should exist for people whose religion or lifestyle is opposed to consuming animals (or cows, specifically).

It has always seemed odd to me that a rapidly depreciating Ford Taurus would be lined with the skins of a formerly living being(s).
That just feels upside down on the Karma index.
 
#57 ·
Don't you bring Subaru's into this.

 
#97 ·
Okay, I'm in.

Timing will fit nicely with when my current daily is about to retire. And all I have to lose right now is $25. A little nervous, the idea of driving an EV. I suppose there has to be a charging station somewhere on I-95 when I make trips north.
 
#101 ·
Didn't mean they would be compatible - just in general, if the market is turning toward putting them in Wawa gas stations, I'm sure other places will be popping up with universal stations (if they haven't already).

I'm pretty sure the rest areas on the turnpike sections in MD and DE have charging stations.
 
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