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      09-17-2020 03:05 PM #1
      I've gotten my S60R fixed and have decided that I want to sell it. I reached out to Cars and Bids and I think I want a reserve. Nothing wild, I know what an automatic R car is worth. But I also know my color combo holds a premium over a "regular" color combo. C&B got back to me and suggested I go with a no reserve auction.

      Hi BurgerBob. Doug DeMuro here. I sit here and examine M3s and Mustangs all day, and then something like this comes in and puts a huge smile on my face. Flash Green over Atacama -- how cool. Thank you for submitting it!
      Would you be willing to do a no reserve auction? We think this one will do very well and I promise to blow it up on my social media when it's live -- let me know. We could give you the $X reserve if you want it, but we've generally found that no reserve auctions just get way more traffic, especially with the social media boost.
      I've sold many vehicles via eBay, all with a reserve. The no reserve auction makes me extremely nervous. If there was ever going to be an auction that "slips through the cracks" so to speak, it would most certainly be mine and I'd be out thousands.


      So TCL, have you any experience with no reserve online auctions? Or live auctions for that matter.. I just don't want to lose anymore money that I already have in searching for the elusive stage 0 S60R.

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      09-17-2020 03:12 PM #2
      I've noticed that they seem to push no reserve pretty heavily and claim that no reserves get way more traffic and end up selling for more. I see the logic but I also feel like with that car, being an automatic, I don't think it'll get that much traffic. If it was a stick, I'd say go for it...
      There have been a few volvo's sold on cars&bids and they did go for good prices. https://carsandbids.com/search/?q=volvo
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      09-17-2020 03:24 PM #3
      I sold my B7 A4 avant MT6 with BaT and no reserve. I also wanted a reserve, but they suggested no reserve and had confidence it would sell near where I wanted. hammer price was $13k (I was hoping for $14k) so I was really happy with the sale. however, the winning bidder could not buy the car, so it went to the next highest at $12,250. I was still very happy with sale and the new owner ended up being an Audi person so it went to go a good home.

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      09-17-2020 03:27 PM #4
      At the end of the day, it's your money. I can understand the hesitation, especially as you cannot predict the circumstances when you auction goes live (e.g. stocks crash, natural disasters, etc.) which can impact how many willing buyers there are. Best case with a reserve, you get what you want, or it doesn't sell, and you can try selling it again, whether on C&B or more likely, elsewhere.

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      09-17-2020 03:52 PM #5
      OP shoudl try to have Daddy Doug review it so he can point out the quirks and features

      "THE R Badge is so kewlll driving in your s60 RRRRRRR"

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      09-17-2020 03:56 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      At the end of the day, it's your money. I can understand the hesitation, especially as you cannot predict the circumstances when you auction goes live (e.g. stocks crash, natural disasters, etc.) which can impact how many willing buyers there are. Best case with a reserve, you get what you want, or it doesn't sell, and you can try selling it again, whether on C&B or more likely, elsewhere.
      This is the direction I'm leaning.. I'll give C&B a shot, with a reserve. If it doesn't sell, that's okay and I'll list is elsewhere.

      My idea with C&B is the audience it will reach. I have a peculiar car that doesn't appeal to everyone, but the small crowd it does attract are very.. attracted. So I'm thinking with Doug's enthusiast audience, maybe the right group of people with find it. $89 it isn't a bad deal to get in front of his audience.
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      09-17-2020 04:00 PM #7
      buddy recently listed his MS6 on C&B with no reserve and got a fair price for it...he figured he could wait and wait locally and sell for 5-7k, ended up getting 6500 on C&B with a sale within a week...was a painless process

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      09-17-2020 04:01 PM #8
      Flash Green over Atacama is going to get bids... I think you will get the price you want. But if you don't feel comfortable, don't do it... it is your car so what you think is right.

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      09-17-2020 04:12 PM #9
      It's risk vs. reward, ultimately this is something that's 100% up to what you're comfortable with.

      That said, unless I was selling the car to specifically pay for something I needed, personally I couldn't care less about a reserve. I've sold lots of stuff on ebay and definitely found where reserves steer people away. They see the reserve and think, for example, "Oh, this person isn't hot to sell, they need convincing." I mean, as a buyer in an auction, a reserve is just one more thing to compete against...and you're already competing against other buyers, the seller wants you to compete against them too? Unless someone really wants that item particularly they're going to keep looking and find someone that is hot to sell. Although that's ironic, because whatever else they find will likely sell higher.

      On ebay, I rationalized it with law of large numbers. The overall strategy works, it just might not work for any one particular item. On a car that's tougher to stomach, but realize that this probably isn't the first nor last car that you're going to sell. So long as you don't need the cash now, if it backfires, there's a good chance you'll make it up later.

      Oh, and if your not comfortable with it, why not just use Craigslist or Cars.com or something?

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      09-17-2020 04:34 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post

      Oh, and if your not comfortable with it, why not just use Craigslist or Cars.com or something?
      Yeah if you haven't tried anything yet, I'd be tempted to start with CL and just see what happens. You may get no response or you may find THE buyer for your car. If that fails you are out $5 for the ad fee and you can move to other avenues.

      Also...rule #1?

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      09-17-2020 04:35 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by UncleJB View Post
      Yeah if you haven't tried anything yet, I'd be tempted to start with CL and just see what happens. You may get no response or you may find THE buyer for your car. If that fails you are out $5 for the ad fee and you can move to other avenues.

      Also...rule #1?
      Yup. I get not wanting the tire kicker hassle, but the way things are going an interesting car like that could pretty easily sell in <24hrs.

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      09-17-2020 04:44 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      Yup. I get not wanting the tire kicker hassle, but the way things are going an interesting car like that could pretty easily sell in <24hrs.
      I hesitate with CL. I've never hada good experience with it, buyer or seller. But for $5, why not give it a go... tough with this car.


      Also, rule #1 has been addressed.
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      09-17-2020 04:55 PM #13
      I've had MORE luck selling cars on CL since they implemented the $5 fee. I just sold a V70 last month within hours of posting the ad. There are less cars, therefore the few posted tend to stand out more. At least that is my experience.

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      09-17-2020 04:59 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by burgerbob View Post
      I hesitate with CL. I've never hada good experience with it, buyer or seller. But for $5, why not give it a go... tough with this car.


      Also, rule #1 has been addressed.
      I've had a little of both on CL. It's gotten easier over the years to figure out who is serious and who isn't. The best vetting process for me is talking on the phone. You can waste a lot of time with emails, but people that aren't serious or mature enough to conduct a large financial transaction probably won't talk on the phone.

      Addressed indeed. I have only ever seen one in that color that I can recall...and I can recall it so that is saying something.

      Might be worth posting what you are interested in getting for it. For all you know your buyer is hanging out with you here on TCL.

      I've long thought TCL should have it's own classifieds thread. Not going to find a group like this many other places and a lot of us share the same interests & tastes in cars and car related things.

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      09-17-2020 05:05 PM #15
      OP, this all comes down to what you are comfortable with.

      However, since this is TCL, I recommend you disregard what you are comfortable with and place it on C&B with no reserve. It will be fun to watch!

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      09-17-2020 05:35 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by UncleJB View Post
      I've had a little of both on CL. It's gotten easier over the years to figure out who is serious and who isn't. The best vetting process for me is talking on the phone. You can waste a lot of time with emails, but people that aren't serious or mature enough to conduct a large financial transaction probably won't talk on the phone.

      Addressed indeed. I have only ever seen one in that color that I can recall...and I can recall it so that is saying something.

      Might be worth posting what you are interested in getting for it. For all you know your buyer is hanging out with you here on TCL.

      I've long thought TCL should have it's own classifieds thread. Not going to find a group like this many other places and a lot of us share the same interests & tastes in cars and car related things.
      Not a bad idea..

      2004 AW55-5X original Flash Green w/ Atacama S60R
      Bought in 2015 with 78,xxx
      As of 2020: 113,xxx miles
      Full front end respray. Front doors, fenders, hood and bumper. 1st owner from Baltimore, 2nd owner commuted from Erie to Grove city everyday. Lots of stone chips. Done in late 2015, no longer perfect.
      Timing and water pump service around 98K
      4C rebuild with monroe struts and IPD lowering springs (only modification) around 110K
      BCM just rebuilt. New board, 2 new capacitors and a new power cable 113K
      17" and 18" Volvo Pegs, not reps.
      Brand new, never out of plastic Atacama floor mats included, along with original mats and a set of all weather Volvo mats from a previous V70
      Newish brakes, also around 98k
      New HID ballasts, driver and passenger side.
      A lot more, its been 5-6 years of fixing and maintaining. All work done by Volvo specialist Casey Hamm at Star Volvo and his since started standalone Hamm Automotive. Have most if not all receipts on file.

      Car would have passed PA state inspection last week. Could not sticker it as it is not currently registered.

      Cons:
      Alarm module malfunction. (No sunroof or functional alarm)
      Navigation doesn't work (screen still rises out of dash and powers on with button) This may just need a new nav disc? Never looked into this issue as Volvo nav is better at getting lost than finding anything.
      Drivers side headlight wiper does not move
      Cup holder lid on center console is in the trunk currently. (tabs broke off)
      A few nicks and dings consistent with a 15 y/o 100k+ vehicle. Nothing noticeable at 5+ feet

      I would accept $8,500.42
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      09-17-2020 05:52 PM #17
      I don't know your finances, and they're none of my business, but if you're looking to get $8,500, then I think the risk of going on reserve isn't as high as I'd have imagined. Equally, I think if you set you reserve just under that, I think you'd hit that reserve fairly easily, given the rarity of the car/color combo.

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      09-17-2020 06:04 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by ImpeccableNEW View Post
      OP shoudl try to have Daddy Doug review it so he can point out the quirks and features

      "THE R Badge is so kewlll driving in your s60 RRRRRRR"
      Yes, have him review it, and let viewers know it is for sale.

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      09-17-2020 06:26 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by burgerbob View Post
      Not a bad idea..

      2004 AW55-5X original Flash Green w/ Atacama S60R
      Bought in 2015 with 78,xxx
      As of 2020: 113,xxx miles
      Full front end respray. Front doors, fenders, hood and bumper. 1st owner from Baltimore, 2nd owner commuted from Erie to Grove city everyday. Lots of stone chips. Done in late 2015, no longer perfect.
      Timing and water pump service around 98K
      4C rebuild with monroe struts and IPD lowering springs (only modification) around 110K
      BCM just rebuilt. New board, 2 new capacitors and a new power cable 113K
      17" and 18" Volvo Pegs, not reps.
      Brand new, never out of plastic Atacama floor mats included, along with original mats and a set of all weather Volvo mats from a previous V70
      Newish brakes, also around 98k
      New HID ballasts, driver and passenger side.
      A lot more, its been 5-6 years of fixing and maintaining. All work done by Volvo specialist Casey Hamm at Star Volvo and his since started standalone Hamm Automotive. Have most if not all receipts on file.

      Car would have passed PA state inspection last week. Could not sticker it as it is not currently registered.

      Cons:
      Alarm module malfunction. (No sunroof or functional alarm)
      Navigation doesn't work (screen still rises out of dash and powers on with button) This may just need a new nav disc? Never looked into this issue as Volvo nav is better at getting lost than finding anything.
      Drivers side headlight wiper does not move
      Cup holder lid on center console is in the trunk currently. (tabs broke off)
      A few nicks and dings consistent with a 15 y/o 100k+ vehicle. Nothing noticeable at 5+ feet

      I would accept $8,500.42
      Seems a very reasonable price to me. But I'd try like hell to talk down the .42.

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      09-17-2020 06:37 PM #20
      just get everyone on TCL to bid it up to what your reserve would be

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      09-17-2020 06:46 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      just get everyone on TCL to bid it up to what your reserve would be
      Lol. The same TCL telling him to go no reserve would then pick the car apart and justify why it's not worth a penny more than $5000.42.

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      09-17-2020 06:46 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      I don't know your finances, and they're none of my business, but if you're looking to get $8,500, then I think the risk of going on reserve isn't as high as I'd have imagined. Equally, I think if you set you reserve just under that, I think you'd hit that reserve fairly easily, given the rarity of the car/color combo.


      I 100% agree with you. It's not about getting $8,500.42, it's about my stupid anxieties. I needed to hear that "no reserve" isn't as scary as it sounds. I have this fear that I'll start a no reserve auction, no one will care and someone will buy my car for a grand. Logically, I know that isn't the case. But I am who I am so I will always worry about it. I literally just needed to hear the hive tell me what I tell myself. And its certainly helped. The thought that a reserve adds another competitor and can make buyers shy away was a nice input. I have never thought of it that way.

      The experience I've had with this car has paid for itself a thousand times over, starting with the day I signed the title. So, its's really not about the money. It's about the feels. It deserves a certain price.

      Short story time.

      I was 13 years old in 2004. My parents were buying their fifth Volvo at Star Volvo and there was a Flash Green/Atacama S60R in the showroom. Me, being a 13y/o who's into cars, just HAD to sit in it while they did adult stuff. Blown away by the contrast and brightness of the car, in love with the blue gauges and matching stitching on the steering wheel, dash and shifter boot... it was everything I could ever want in a car. That day, I decided I would have a FG/ATA S60R... someday. Time came and went. For ten years, I never saw another Flash Green Volvo in the flesh.
      I was now out of high school and finishing up college, all the while thinking about that green sedan I saw back in middle school. I hit a small stroke of luck and my collecting started. I had landed a great job out of college and life was great. I'm now 24 with a house and a couple cool cars, but no green Volvo. More time came and went. The idea of a green Volvo was fading. That's when I found it... or saw it rather. I took a trip to Erie for a long weekend and was passed by the car I ended up buying. RT79 north, just outside of Grove City. I tried to not look stalker-ish but I followed the car. The driver got off at an odd exit, nothing but a couple gas stations and fast food and tiny town another 30 miles east. I again followed. "If it stops at one of those stations or food, I'm going to inquire. If it goes toward the town, I'll get back on 79" I said, out loud, alone in the car. I was stoked.
      GAS STATION. GAS STATION. Oh shtttt. I don't know what to say. I've never done something like this before.
      We exchanged usual salutations as I start to put gas in my basically full SVT Focus... "Nice car, what color is that?" I said, feeling ridiculous. "Flash Green, ya love it or hate it" was the reply I got. By now, my pump had shut off... at less than two gallons of gas. I've been caught. I couldn't do this. I just COULD NOT do it. "Look, I know exactly what this car is. Is it for sale?" Probably came off a little weird looking back. "Names Kent. Give me your number and I'll call you this weekend. I'm sorry, I just don't have time for this right now."
      ....I gave my name and number, reinforcing my interest yet feeling defeated. I never thought I'd hear from Kent. Two days later I get the call. He was about to list it on eBay. I ask him his address, I will be there with cash. We talked for awhile after he found out how long I've been looking for this car, that I grew up in Volvo's and that I was a Volvo enthusiast just as Kent was. We agreed on a price and my now eleven year search was over. Every drive, no matter where to, was magical. I loved it.

      But I've now grown up a bit, I need different things. A dream has been realized. It's time for someone to enjoy this car the way I have. Someone that can give it the time of day it deserves. It's time to pass the torch.


      TL;DR
      I really like this car. But its time to move on.
      "keep it between the mayonnaise and mustard"

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      09-17-2020 06:52 PM #23
      I wonder if you can add that story to C&B with your no reserve listing. Always nice to hear stories like that, and it at least gives the impression that the car was well cared for since it meant much to the owner (you).

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      09-17-2020 07:55 PM #24
      https://www.cars.com/for-sale/search...24660&zc=23223

      Looking at the market, I feel like adjusting for the color rarity and the list of things it needs that 7500-8500 is fair for the car. I'm sure every one of these for sale has a list of things they need as well and they don't have the rare color combo. If it was a stick I'd say 10k.

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      09-17-2020 08:27 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by burgerbob View Post
      But I've now grown up a bit, I need different things. A dream has been realized. It's time for someone to enjoy this car the way I have. Someone that can give it the time of day it deserves. It's time to pass the torch.
      Well there you go. If the auction doesn't catch on for whatever reason, you'll lose out on money, but the person that does buy it will be the one to have noticed it anyway and be ready to carry on that story.

      FWIW, I totally get the story being more important than the price. My Mk5 GTI I had scrambled to buy new, owned it for 140k miles and 10 years. I had it for the end of college, took my wife on our first dates in it, did my first autocross and track days in it, and learned a heck of a lot about mods and wrenching with it. We ran out of space a couple years ago and had to let it go. A nice kid had checked it out and already agreed to pay my asking price. That said, he had been asking me about exhaust and stereo mods and such, not to mention was an active duty soldier. When he pulled out a wad of cash I told him to keep enough to buy that exhaust; letting that car go should've been a sad day but it makes me smile knowing the story kept going

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