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    1. 06-27-2020 10:12 PM #1
      Is the Golf R a bit overpriced and overrated ? It was slower than a Jetta https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ning-lap-2019/ BTW those tires are a no cost option. You can swap the all seasons for those FREE. The clutch can barely handle stock power levels and cars like the STI with a 20 year old plus EJ engine beats it too, never mind the CTR or N. It can barely shake off a GTI but they charge 40 grand for it.

      EDIT: I am not sure why some of you are saying the R came with all seasons. I don't think that was the case. It had summer rubber but just not as good as the Hankooks.

      Also, obviously a click-bait title but in all seriousness, LL times aside it isn't all that much quicker in the straight line either. Check these out, the 5-60 times are about the same, quarter mile and trap speed difference isn't all that.

      https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...019-vw-golf-r/

      https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
      Last edited by MonsterM; 06-28-2020 at 09:33 AM.

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      06-27-2020 10:22 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      Is the Golf R one of the most overpriced, overrated cars on the market ? It gets gapped by a Jetta https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ning-lap-2019/ BTW those tires are a no cost option. You can swap the all seasons for those FREE. The clutch can barely handle stock power levels and a STI with a 20 year old plus EJ engine beats it too, never mind the CTR. It can barely shake off a GTI but they charge 40 grand plus for this thing, lol.


      A Golf R will retail value much longer than a GTI. And magazine racers a weird.

      Edit: I mistyped, I meant 'retain'.
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      06-27-2020 10:23 PM #3
      all seasons vs summer tires... its a big difference... also VIR is a very tight twisty track.
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    5. 06-27-2020 10:44 PM #4
      I've said that before that I thought I wanted a Golf R until I finally got real back-to-back seat time with a GTI. The extra power of the R is more or less negated by the extra weight of the AWD system. The best value performance hatch of the decade is probably the Veloster N, which is such a surprise considering how crappy the last generation Veloster was. The ultimate Golf IMO is the now discontinued Rabbit edition, with its only blunder being that it should have come with high performance summer tires.

    6. 06-27-2020 10:51 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by elite.mafia View Post
      all seasons vs summer tires... its a big difference... also VIR is a very tight twisty track.
      I have never seen a Golf R with all season tires on the dealer parking lot. Perhaps the one they tested somehow came with all seasons, which is no excuse whatsoever. You are paying 40 grand for a "performance" car...It comes the way it comes. No excuses @ this price point. Again, summer tires are a no cost option on the Jetta and come standard on the CTR/STI/RS/N.

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      06-27-2020 11:04 PM #7
      It might be... but I think it looks a hell of a lot better than that Jetta

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      06-27-2020 11:12 PM #8
      Oh, and Malcolm Gladwell would disagree with you, and he's a pretty smart guy.

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      06-27-2020 11:12 PM #9
      Having owned MK2-MK6 GTIs, R32s and Golf Rs, in stock form and up to 400 wheel horse. I feel the need to chime in. You are partially right. Ive been considering a daily driver switch lately so I test drove a brand new manual GTI and a brand new manual Golf R back to back. I was blown away how good the GTI felt. It was lively, had a little wheel spin, wanted to rev, felt light and quick, overall was enjoyable to drive. The Golf R felt lifeless. It was dull. I was completely caught off guard. I was actually kind of sad about it. Yes subtle can be a good thing but not for your "top level" performance car. The GTI wasnt even a performance-pack car it was a zero option S. I need to go drive a Veloster N just to see what all the hype is about. I will say one thing, if you lump the Golf R and GTI into the same "Golf" category (which people loooove to do around here) then its definitely the best because your options are enormous. Its also by far the nicest place to be daily. I dont think its the most overrated but its definitely not the best if "hot" is the part of hot hatch you think is most important

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      06-27-2020 11:47 PM #10
      Clearly something wrong with whatever Golf R they brought to the party

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      06-27-2020 11:53 PM #11
      what if it was? The focus RS still exists
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      06-27-2020 11:53 PM #12
      Me personally, I’d save the $10K and get a GTI over an R.
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      06-27-2020 11:56 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      Me personally, I’d save the $10K and get a GTI over an R.
      and it still beat the GLI in most comparisons I've seen

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      06-28-2020 12:02 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by caj1 View Post
      and it still beat the GLI in most comparisons I've seen
      The GLI has already been beat with the ugly stick, so I’m not surprised
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      06-28-2020 12:03 AM #15
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      06-28-2020 12:09 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      Is the Golf R one of the most overpriced, overrated cars on the market ? It gets gapped by a Jetta https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ning-lap-2019/ BTW those tires are a no cost option. You can swap the all seasons for those FREE. The clutch can barely handle stock power levels and a STI with a 20 year old plus EJ engine beats it too, never mind the CTR. It can barely shake off a GTI but they charge 40 grand plus for this thing, lol.
      I always wondered why the GTI came with a trick electronic diff, but the Golf R came with open diffs, not even a simpler mechanical diff.

      Why not give it every performance option?

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      06-28-2020 12:11 AM #17
      honestly the whole VW "R" series are overrated, definitely not Type R, STi or even N level. VW R is more Audi S than RS.

      GTI TCR was the real hardcore "Golf".
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      06-28-2020 12:15 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      Is the Golf R one of the most overpriced, overrated cars on the market ? It gets gapped by a Jetta https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ning-lap-2019/ BTW those tires are a no cost option. You can swap the all seasons for those FREE. The clutch can barely handle stock power levels and a STI with a 20 year old plus EJ engine beats it too, never mind the CTR. It can barely shake off a GTI but they charge 40 grand plus for this thing, lol.
      Car & Driver disagrees.

      https://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf-r

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      The Golf R is the understated and underrated antithesis of its red-hot hatchback rivals such as the Ford Focus RS, Subaru WRX STI, and Honda Civic Type R. Its mixture of performance and practicality is expected, but its seamless blending of those two key attributes is unique. On top of that, the R outclasses everything in the category with the most sophisticated styling inside and out. Its place at the peak of the peerless Volkswagen Golf family has helped it win a spot on our 10Best list. However, the equally lovable and significantly less expensive Golf GTI represents a stronger performance value for those less concerned with maximum thrust. Likewise, the R-rated version lacks the literal and figurative wild side of the hardcore alternatives. Regardless, this sport compact is a dual threat, a winner on both the track and the cul-de-sac.
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      06-28-2020 12:19 AM #19
      people don't buy cars in real life based on the tiny bubbles that car guys and magazines put cars in. Most people buy SUVs. and a lot of those SUVs are silly fast too.
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      06-28-2020 12:58 AM #20
      0.1 seconds is hardly gapped on a 3+ minute course. Test the cars back to back with same tires otherwise the video is just clickbait. That said its not secret a GTI with a couple mods is definitely faster than a Golf R in straight line and on a course.
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      06-28-2020 01:30 AM #21
      Got my mk6 r preowned for 19k with some mods ive managed to gap a gt2 and plenty of soobs and jettas. Yea we’re talking stock golf r for 40k and not modded but all the perks are there. From the dealer its a very tame car for the price i get it. never bought any cars new but the platform is great to work on and cost efficient. Plus, at the end of the day id rather be in a dope lookin vw. not a suburu, veloster, or focus. Just sayin.


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      06-28-2020 01:52 AM #22
      I can go snowboarding in my R without chains.


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      06-28-2020 06:30 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by rickandshana View Post
      I can go snowboarding in my R without chains.


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      06-28-2020 06:42 AM #24
      Of course you can get it with all-seasons, it’s a practical 4-dr hatchback. At least around here summer tires are a non-starter for many; why wouldn’t VW handicap the car on the track if it means more sales? And most track enthusiasts are going to get rid of OE summers anyway in favor of something <200TW.

      As far as the lap time, I think it’s actually pretty amazing that the Golf R is that close with all-seasons. C/D never should’ve tested it that way IMO as it’s a pretty huge asterisk, but there’s probably an easy 5 seconds there with proper tires.

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      06-28-2020 06:43 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by MGQ View Post
      what if it was? The focus RS still exists
      Not if you want a new one.

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