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    1. Senior Member UncleJB's Avatar
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      06-25-2020 07:16 AM #51
      MK6 Jetta TDI Sportwagen?

      Here's one with 65k miles in Portsmouth NH.

      https://nh.craigslist.org/cto/d/port...141400487.html

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      06-25-2020 07:39 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by TooFitToQuit View Post
      My coworker's was a giant POS. So... not bombproof. It was a manual as well, and had ST upgrades.
      Not bombproof, but not unreliable either.
      A sample size of one can say almost anything.
      Cousin Eddie had one for years as a daily.. his wife now drives it.
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      06-25-2020 08:14 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by sandwich-chris View Post
      It's likely a stretch at just 8K and you have to roll the dice a little bit with regards to reliability, but an ATS with manual might be do-able.
      You should drive an ATS with the manual. They are fantastic cars, and 2013-14s are starting to drop to your price range.

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      06-25-2020 08:28 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by Karl_1340 View Post
      You should drive an ATS with the manual. They are fantastic cars, and 2013-14s are starting to drop to your price range.
      Now those truly are very questionable when it comes to reliability.
      Cool cars though.
      Not a nimble economy hatchback though.
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    6. 06-25-2020 08:39 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by UncleJB View Post
      MK6 Jetta TDI Sportwagen?
      Avoid like the plague, I've heard nothing but horror stories with the post-fix TDIs. Not so much that power and economy is down, which is an issue, but that having so many vehicles just sitting for years in a parking lot without having the engine run really screwed the majority of them up reliability wise.
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar
      Not arguing with the fun to drive aspect of it, but a Fiesta is absolutely tiny inside compared to the matrix/vibe. Focus is even quite a bit smaller, those cars were incredible little cargo vans disguised as early CUVs.
      I wonder why I didn't like them back in the day. Its been so long that all I can remember is I was really disappointed, but I must have driven the 120hp or whatever it was FWD version, as I see the AWD had a better rear suspension and 180hp high revver sounds like fun. Especially with that front passenger seat folding flat, that is pretty cool.

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      06-25-2020 08:40 AM #56
      Recommending the Elantra GT

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      06-25-2020 08:54 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
      Avoid like the plague, I've heard nothing but horror stories with the post-fix TDIs. Not so much that power and economy is down, which is an issue, but that having so many vehicles just sitting for years in a parking lot without having the engine run really screwed the majority of them up reliability wise.
      Oh well then I guess what you have "heard" totally negates my three years and 130k miles of actual ownership.

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      06-25-2020 09:03 AM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by UncleJB View Post
      Oh well then I guess what you have "heard" totally negates my three years and 130k miles of actual ownership.
      On what planet is a TDI fun to rev?
      Great cars for mpg and comfort though.
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      06-25-2020 09:15 AM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      On what planet is a TDI fun to rev?
      Great cars for mpg and comfort though.
      The planet is called Kerma.



      Do you have to wind it out? No. Does it make fun noises? No. It is definitely no slouch though.

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      06-25-2020 09:21 AM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by elite.mafia View Post
      nah want something else. Also the corolla XRS has a screwed up tune on the motor, lift engages 500 rpm higher and the motor makes less power. Also it has a smog pump and some other stuff, can't remember if they have drive by wire or not but meh. Just want something else.
      IIRC the horsepower changes were due to how horsepower was calculated. The engine makes the same power. A $200 ECU reflash changes lift engagement to 6000rpm and the revlimiter to 8600rpm (also gains it power). They are cable throttle body.

      I had a 2004 Vibe GT a decade ago. Outside of my Civic Si sedan it's the only car I ever regret getting rid of.

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      06-25-2020 09:25 AM #61
      If you're not squeamish about age or gas mileage you should be able to find a manual G35 in that price range. I would look into N52 E90s too.
      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      06-25-2020 09:34 AM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
      Avoid like the plague, I've heard nothing but horror stories with the post-fix TDIs. Not so much that power and economy is down, which is an issue, but that having so many vehicles just sitting for years in a parking lot without having the engine run really screwed the majority of them up reliability wise.

      I wonder why I didn't like them back in the day. Its been so long that all I can remember is I was really disappointed, but I must have driven the 120hp or whatever it was FWD version, as I see the AWD had a better rear suspension and 180hp high revver sounds like fun. Especially with that front passenger seat folding flat, that is pretty cool.
      They really really needed some suspension help to get them out of minivan territory. Mine was so much better with just ebay springs and a bigger rear sway bar. Here's mine lowered an inch or so, just down to the height of a normal car. If I had anywhere to park it I would have kept it, the $3k it was worth on the market was absurd compared to how good of a car it was.


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      06-25-2020 10:03 AM #63
      Do yourself a favor and get a Fiesta ST.


      Cheap to buy, cheap to maintain, cheap to insure, cheap to modify, cheap to have a really good fckin time.
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      06-25-2020 10:36 AM #64
      Mazda 3 2.5? Sporty ish zoom zoom?

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      06-25-2020 10:54 AM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Now those truly are very questionable when it comes to reliability.
      Cool cars though.
      Not a nimble economy hatchback though.
      The number of engine failures is quite low. The CUE system on early cars is slow, but still works, and OP said:
      overall somewhat similar to the Matrix XRS, a 4 door sedan or hatch/wagon is most likely what I'll end up getting. Not big on coupes

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      06-25-2020 10:55 AM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      Not arguing with the fun to drive aspect of it, but a Fiesta is absolutely tiny inside compared to the matrix/vibe. Focus is even quite a bit smaller, those cars were incredible little cargo vans disguised as early CUVs.

      I spent a weekend in the back of my wifes Matrix when I spent the weekend at the track.
      It is surpisingly comfortable to sleep in.

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      06-25-2020 11:03 AM #67
      There are a lot of mazda speed 3's in this price range. I am not too familiar with how reliable these cars are. I know they have a turbo 4 and fwd. I also have seen what those era mazdas do in terms of rust.... I plan on purchasing something from an area that doesn't have rust issues and then transplanting it here but that doesn't exactly rule out it rusting as soon as it gets here
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      06-25-2020 11:05 AM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Now those truly are very questionable when it comes to reliability.
      Cool cars though.
      Not a nimble economy hatchback though.
      doesn't need to be an "econo hatchback". Just needs to have 4 doors and be a sedan or hatch.
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      06-25-2020 11:08 AM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by elite.mafia View Post
      There are a lot of mazda speed 3's in this price range. I am not too familiar with how reliable these cars are. I know they have a turbo 4 and fwd. I also have seen what those era mazdas do in terms of rust.... I plan on purchasing something from an area that doesn't have rust issues and then transplanting it here but that doesn't exactly rule out it rusting as soon as it gets here
      stock = good.
      modified = can bend conrods under high load boost (high gear lower speed full throttle).
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      06-25-2020 11:09 AM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by elite.mafia View Post
      doesn't need to be an "econo hatchback". Just needs to have 4 doors and be a sedan or hatch.
      A friend was looking at an ATS several years ago.
      He browsed the ATS forums then stopped considering them.
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      06-25-2020 11:10 AM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by elite.mafia View Post
      I did test drive a 2020 fit to get an idea on financing one but was less than impressed with the offer I was given so walked. That said, the car was super duper MEH. the main complaint is the NVH of that motor. It's gotta be one of the worst sounding, buzziest motors in any new cars I've tried in terms of just driving normally, ie just slowly accelerating and shifting at ~3000rpm. It was pretty annoying. Like I don't mind a loud motor but it just sounded buzzy and annoying.
      You're not wrong about the engine. It's quite un-Honda like. I recently put a set of Michelin tires and new rotors on mine and it transformed from a horrible freeway car to a halfway decent freeway car, but it still is not a fun engine. Old Civic Si engines at 1.5 or 1.6 liters would sing at high revs. This thing is thrashing and doesn't call on you to rev it out, which is a crying shame, as it's so good at certain things. It's the only Honda available here currently that isn't overly Americanized.

      Would I get another? Mmmmmmmm, not unless it was a ridiculously good deal and had a stick, but then I'd be mad at myself whenever I wanted to rev that thing. :/
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      06-25-2020 11:13 AM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      You're not wrong about the engine. It's quite un-Honda like. I recently put a set of Michelin tires and new rotors on mine and it transformed from a horrible freeway car to a halfway decent freeway car, but it still is not a fun engine. Old Civic Si engines at 1.5 or 1.6 liters would sing at high revs. This thing is thrashing and doesn't call on you to rev it out, which is a crying shame, as it's so good at certain things. It's the only Honda available here currently that isn't overly Americanized.

      Would I get another? Mmmmmmmm, not unless it was a ridiculously good deal and had a stick, but then I'd be mad at myself whenever I wanted to rev that thing. :/
      The stick on the Fit is also awful. The clutch feels like stepping on wet tissue paper and has no feel on the pickup. Shifter is super vague- not Honda like at all. The thing revs 4,000rpm at normal freeway cruising with a stick too.

      I wanted to like the Fit, but I walked away from a test drive very unimpressed.

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      06-25-2020 11:15 AM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      You're not wrong about the engine. It's quite un-Honda like. I recently put a set of Michelin tires and new rotors on mine and it transformed from a horrible freeway car to a halfway decent freeway car, but it still is not a fun engine. Old Civic Si engines at 1.5 or 1.6 liters would sing at high revs. This thing is thrashing and doesn't call on you to rev it out, which is a crying shame, as it's so good at certain things. It's the only Honda available here currently that isn't overly Americanized.

      Would I get another? Mmmmmmmm, not unless it was a ridiculously good deal and had a stick, but then I'd be mad at myself whenever I wanted to rev that thing. :/
      the other thing was the clutch was very odd. I guess thats the result of the springrate on the clutch springs or something, but whenever you shift the clutch seems like it doesn't fully engage for a good moment after you let the clutch pedal out.... It feels like they tried to make the car drive as smooth as possible and as a result it feels REALLY Sloppy.
      '03 Matrix XRS 6mt 2zz-ge

    25. 06-25-2020 11:16 AM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      The stick on the Fit is also awful. The clutch feels like stepping on wet tissue paper and has no feel on the pickup. Shifter is super vague- not Honda like at all. The thing revs 4,000rpm at normal freeway cruising with a stick too.

      I wanted to like the Fit, but I walked away from a test drive very unimpressed.
      Which gen though? Most agree the new ones suck.

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      06-25-2020 11:22 AM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by Ducman69 View Post
      Which gen though? Most agree the new ones suck.
      Current. I suppose the first gen may be better.

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