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    1. Member CostcoPizza's Avatar
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      06-11-2020 02:11 PM #1
      Who doesn't love a completely arbitrary TCL challenge?

      Here's the criteria

      The car has to be over 20 years old.
      Budget for car + maintenance/mods/refresh is $20,000

      So what does this leave you with? An old, probably ordinary car, but a good amount of money to do a refurb of some sort.

      For me, I love E34s, specifically the pre-refresh with narrow grilles.

      Car: $4k
      S52 Swap + various mechanical/suspension refreshing: $10k
      OEM+ wheels, interior bits, details etc: $6k



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      06-11-2020 02:14 PM #2
      Either the nicest 1999 Isuzu Vehicross in existence or a really nice 1991 BMW 318i

    4. I’m not a loser. I’m a winnah!! patrikman's Avatar
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      06-11-2020 02:17 PM #3


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      06-11-2020 02:21 PM #4
      I'd probably find something like this and spend the remainder restoring or cleaning up things and then just drive and enjoy.



      https://nh.craigslist.org/cto/d/dove...135345115.html

      Ideally I'd find a rust free VW MK2 and restore, but definitely something German that is enjoyable to drive.

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      06-11-2020 02:23 PM #5
      Oof the top of my head, Either this:

      https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...benz-sl500-64/



      The leftovers go to maintenance and a nice set of AMG Monoblocs

      Or

      https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-bmw-m3-164/



      And I’m sure I could spend plenty on maintenance and tweaks.


      Edit:

      Or maybe this + some Fuchs

      https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-944-turbo-11/



      Or go totally bat-guano nuts and roll the dice...

      https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-lotus-esprit-4/

      Last edited by The_Real_Stack; 06-11-2020 at 02:33 PM.
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      My wife wanted a SUV with a manual transmission. I suggested a Wrangler, she said no way, too masculine

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      06-11-2020 02:26 PM #6
      2000 C5


    8. 06-11-2020 02:26 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Parents bought a new 4.6 Tbird in '94, kept it 'til 2006 and 65k miles. Only a MAF sensor went bad. Car was extremely smooth, extremely quiet, and extremely comfortable. The MN12 cars are quite nice places to be. Super comfy seats and the long wheelbase an 15" wheels with tall tires just soaked up bumps, and it was quiet too. Engine revved real nice and sounded good too. Not a bad thing to say about that car, really.

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      To the op,

      Third gen F-body all day long. $8k for clean one, $3k in deferred maintenance, $3k in suspensions, $2k in wheels/tires, $4k profit

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      06-11-2020 02:27 PM #8
      Great idea.

      My first inclination is FD RX7, but good examples are already pushing 20K. As another member here demonstrated the GM 3.6 V6 makes a fantastic replacement for the RX8's renesis, but that isn't 20 years old yet.

      I've never driven a V12 car, so a late-80s 750iL swapped to a 6 speed would be tempting. Something similar can be done with an LS400-twin turbos, a drop and possibly a manual swap would make for a very fast VIP-inspired sled (in black). And for sheer styling beauty and JDM quirkiness, I don't think a Mazda Eunos Cosmo can be beat, although 70-80 percent of the budget is the purchase itself so the mods would be limited to audio/exhaust/wheels.



      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
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      I love the Thunderbird SCs, but what are you replacing the junk essex 3.8 with?


      I've loved G bodies, and the Cutlass in particular since childhood. So many powertrain options- I personally would find a 3.8 Camaro engine/trans and a Bonneville/Park Avenue supercharger.
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      06-11-2020 02:28 PM #9


      All $20k to it. I had one as my first car and adored it. It was taken from me when I was t-boned by a guy running a stop sign. I'd love to have one back, in perfect condition inside and out, with an SR20VE and some suspension mods to go along with it.

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      06-11-2020 02:31 PM #10
      2000 S2000. Get a decent one for 13-15 stacks and spend the rest on whatever
      Expose your cracks and love will fill them.

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      06-11-2020 02:39 PM #11
      MR2 turbo t-top in ok condition plus some maintenance/mods.

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      06-11-2020 02:51 PM #12

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      06-11-2020 03:03 PM #13
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sold Over Sticker View Post
      You take that fake rich sled back to the toothless masses and rub their stupid meth faces in your success. Do it for me.

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      06-11-2020 03:15 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by 88c900t View Post
      Great idea.

      My first inclination is FD RX7, but good examples are already pushing 20K. As another member here demonstrated the GM 3.6 V6 makes a fantastic replacement for the RX8's renesis, but that isn't 20 years old yet.

      I've never driven a V12 car, so a late-80s 750iL swapped to a 6 speed would be tempting. Something similar can be done with an LS400-twin turbos, a drop and possibly a manual swap would make for a very fast VIP-inspired sled (in black). And for sheer styling beauty and JDM quirkiness, I don't think a Mazda Eunos Cosmo can be beat, although 70-80 percent of the budget is the purchase itself so the mods would be limited to audio/exhaust/wheels.





      I love the Thunderbird SCs, but what are you replacing the junk essex 3.8 with?


      I've loved G bodies, and the Cutlass in particular since childhood. So many powertrain options- I personally would find a 3.8 Camaro engine/trans and a Bonneville/Park Avenue supercharger.
      Perhaps an LSx or something easy. Definitely not a Ford anything.
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      06-11-2020 03:20 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by CostcoPizza View Post
      Who doesn't love a completely arbitrary TCL challenge?

      Here's the criteria

      The car has to be over 20 years old.
      Budget for car + maintenance/mods/refresh is $20,000

      So what does this leave you with? An old, probably ordinary car, but a good amount of money to do a refurb of some sort.

      For me, I love E34s, specifically the pre-refresh with narrow grilles.
      I like where your head is at, especially with an E34. It just so happens I have a spare S52 and 5-speed auto from my '98 M3 that I'd love to put into an E34 touring, but with the wide grilles...sort of like a 532iT M-sport (or maybe just call it a 533iT M-sport, or 530iT sDrive32i in keeping with nameplates that BMW's already used )

      I'm on a wagon kick lately, because I want a fun alternative to the '08 Outback, so keeping within the rules, I'd either have the 533iT above, or a Gen2 Legacy wagon with a EJ207 swap.

      For the Legacy, a majority of the budget would probably be bodywork/paint, since straight rust-free Subarus of that generation are generally tough to find so I'll have to start with a cheap, less than perfect shell. Likewise, an EJ205 would suffice from an availability and cost standpoint, but a EJ207 would really be a good base. Throw in a 16G turbo and a conservative pro-tune with about 320whp, a 6-speed w/ DCCD, '02 WRX seats and that'd be pretty much it for me. Should be doable for $20k.

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      06-11-2020 03:23 PM #16
      FD RX-7. $20k would stretch the budget for a manual turbo, but you might be able to get a RHD JDM example for that. Or, buy an auto and transmission swap. This auto went for $15k on BAT- $5k should be enough for a proper transmission:



      After a quick googling, looks like you can also swap in a T56 Magnum for $6k:

      https://www.grannasracing.com/produc...t-13b-20b-fd3s
      Last edited by Nealric; 06-11-2020 at 03:25 PM.

    18. 06-11-2020 03:26 PM #17
      OP plenty to inspire and tempt here: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...thread/page215

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      06-11-2020 03:37 PM #18
      Wow, I'm drawing a blank

      I would want a manual RWD 2 seat convertible. I feel like the Z3M is too expensive and I'm not crazy about 986s. So by process of elimination that leaves the C5, which I could do, but wouldn't be my first choice to spend $20K
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      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      06-11-2020 03:37 PM #19
      https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...0920/overview/

      with the mods to make it like this:



      I want a V12 on air.
      "Like a fine Detroit wine, this vehicle has aged to budgetary perfection"

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      06-11-2020 03:53 PM #20
      C5 Corvette would be a great choice, or a very clean 2000 s2000

      other honorable mentions:

      I'd love to have my 1999 10th AE Miata with a matching hardtop back, probably the best Miata i owned
      Would also rock a late 60s or early 70s sedan or coupe - like an impala or big body ford - doesn't need to be fast, just really long and low
      My Dad had a 1974 VW Thing when I was growing up - super quirky car that can be had all day for under 15k
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      AP1 S2000? I can not in good conscience talk you out of that. May your slip angle be great and your bed not be the couch!

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      06-11-2020 03:55 PM #21
      Another SN95 Cobra. Either 1996 Mystic or 1999 probably. 1999 preferred with IRS and slightly better motor. But V8 that makes over 300hp stock and >7k redline was so good. Most money would go to suspension and wheels and 4.10 gears. Some nice Recaros greatly improve ergonomics. Maybe cams if budget allows.



      Last edited by mellbergVWfan; 06-11-2020 at 04:12 PM.
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      Oh mellberg is cool, but his car certainly isn't helping that happen.

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      06-11-2020 03:56 PM #22
      Easy for me, a 2000 LS430 + some suspension + power mods and refreshing OEM parts.
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      06-11-2020 04:05 PM #23
      C5 Corvette is a great choice, but I’d really want a Z06, the 405hp model, and I think those don’t sneak under the age guidelines for another couple years.
      Quote Originally Posted by Volkl View Post
      My wife wanted a SUV with a manual transmission. I suggested a Wrangler, she said no way, too masculine

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      06-11-2020 04:05 PM #24
      There are a bunch, the front runner this week is a E31 BMW. Finding a manual might be tough but I'm fairly certain you can find one for $20k if you're patient, or do a swap on an 840.

      The car that started it all! A work log and tale of tears (from my wallet)
      https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...lass-work-log)

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      06-11-2020 04:06 PM #25
      Easy answer a few years ago was an 840i and do a restomod with the running gear from something like an E39 M5, E92 M3, or perhaps even an N55 car. Not too sure the prices would allow for that now however. I wouldn't need the supercharger, but something along the quality/level of RAV34's 7 series build in an old 8 series is what I envision.
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