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    • F80 M3 ZCP

      35 37.63%
    • RS5 SB

      33 35.48%
    • Alfa 4 cheese. You only yolo once

      21 22.58%
    • M5/550/S4-7

      4 4.30%
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    1. Member Off Pump's Avatar
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      06-06-2020 11:42 AM #1
      So I’m finally at the stage where I can look for a nice car. I’m moving to KY, have 2 small children I’ll drive occasionally and my commute is 5 min with 1x a week 90 mile each way commute. So I want something fun, but comfortable and I won’t feel bad about putting miles on. AWD is a plus but not mandatory. I’d be fine with some winter tires which I would have to get for most anything is going to have summer wheels. I’m still not test driving right now due to Covid and closing on a house and a refi at the end of June - so it’d be a first of July purchase. My E92 was a 0-60 in 3.9, 1/4 in [email protected] car, so that’s a bare minimum for the $$$ I wanna spend.

      No:
      Mercedes - love the 4.0, hate their infotainment. Maybe someday. Plus my dad and father in law have a bunch and I’m just not that interested.

      Close contenders:
      Alfa 4 cheese - very tempting, just too afraid. Plus no straight leather option. Don’t want Alcantara in a DD
      2020 S4/S6/S7 - love the new infotainment. The 6/7 aren’t fast enough and probably too big. Love the S4, but at 65k then to immediately mod to get closer to 500hp...not sure if that’s what I wanna do
      RS7/S8+ - monster performers, but 3-4 years old at this point, heavy.
      M550i - seems like a great comfy cruiser, but just not where I’m at right now.
      F90 M5- was my number one, but big and still pretty expensive. Could see myself ordering one in 2022 and doing it right.
      G20 340i. Fast. Mods easy. But not a true M

      Which leads me to the top 2: the F80 M3 and RS5 SB

      I’ll start by saying both are so otherworldly I probably can’t go wrong.

      RS5
      Pros:
      Would purchase new (heavy discount)
      AWD
      Better ride
      Hatch utility
      Rarer
      1 year newer, new car financing

      Cons:
      Only traps 115-6 in the QM
      20k more expensive than M
      Not a M

      F80
      Pros:
      Classic styling/bmw excellence
      Less expensive
      It’s a M, the gold standard
      Easier tuning
      DCT is amazing
      120 mph trap
      Much prettier than the new one

      Cons:
      Hard to put power down
      Firmer ride
      A 7 year old design at this point.


      Overall the 5 would be around 80, and that’s loaded w carbon bits, dynamic and dynamic plus, close to a 100k sticker. The 0-60 is faster, but the 5-60 and 0-100 are the same. I probably won’t ever take either to a track. The ‘18 M3s are going for high 50s, low 60s, so there’s a 20k delta but again it’s a new car, no miles and another model year newer.

      What say thee, tcl?
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      06-06-2020 11:51 AM #2
      Going with M3 because very nice to looks at. No other experience or opinions.
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      06-06-2020 11:51 AM #3
      That's a hard choice. The RS5 is probably the better highway cruiser for that 90m weekly trip. You can't really go wrong with either. But it sounds like you're not keeping either for more then a couple years so why take the depreciation hit on the RS5 when the M3 has already had it?

      Quote Originally Posted by Off Pump View Post
      RS5 - Only traps 115-6 in the QM

      F80 - 120 mph trap

      The 0-60 is faster, but the 5-60 and 0-100 are the same. I probably won’t ever take either to a track.
      So who cares what the qm trap speed is?
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      06-06-2020 12:01 PM #4
      Hard choice honestly. Probably the M3 because it seems a little more "true to purpose" than the RS5, but I would also take the RS5 in a heartbeat.

      FYI: The RS5 is easily tunable as well: https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_29t_b9.html
      40 HP with 93oct is nothing crazy, but it's a nice bump. If you're able to run E85 you can pick up a cool 100HP/100Ft-lb with no sweat
      Edit: Just read that this requires sending in an ECU first - so I'll scratch that "easily tunable" off the list....
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      06-06-2020 12:02 PM #5
      On a professional side, I would say RS5, so I can move product


      I would also suggest, thinking about that RS7......... You deserve it
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      06-06-2020 12:14 PM #6
      I would lease an M340i for ~$600-$700 a month and hold onto my cash, but I think I’m a lot different than you.

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      06-06-2020 12:39 PM #7
      There will always be German performance cars with 500cc/cyl turbocharged engines and automatic transmissions. Live a little and get out of your comfort zone. I would check out a Model 3 DP, Evora 410 or w/e, maybe a Camaro ZL1 too. At least check them out to confirm that the (insert German brand here) Euro 7 NCAP compliant $90K German performance car is indeed the best choice
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      I spent my entire season budget during the off-season on go fast parts, so now I'm wishing I hadn't and had saved a little so I could buy a sim rig.

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      06-06-2020 01:20 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      There will always be German performance cars with 500cc/cyl turbocharged engines and automatic transmissions. Live a little and get out of your comfort zone. I would check out a Model 3 DP, Evora 410 or w/e, maybe a Camaro ZL1 too. At least check them out to confirm that the (insert German brand here) Euro 7 NCAP compliant $90K German performance car is indeed the best choice
      Uh..no

      You know the future is electric so why would I buy a model 3?

      No Camaro. See sig.

      If I was going to live a little I’d keep my Jeep and add a 991.2 and send it right to APR.
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      06-06-2020 01:22 PM #9
      One of the dads at my daughter’s school has a lightly optioned Manuel M3 sedan, and it looks and sounds awesome. Plus the new M4 looks like absolute donkey schlong so maybe the old ones appreciate a little?

      But I’m sure both are great.
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    11. 06-06-2020 04:42 PM #10
      How small are these children of yours?

      991 Turbo is around $85k. Fits all of your performance criteria and way faster than both the M3 or the RS5.

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      06-06-2020 04:42 PM #11
      Both are cool. Different enough that one should stand out for you. Given where you live, the AWD might make a bit more sense. Go drive them and report back
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      06-06-2020 04:57 PM #12
      Both are plenty fast and capable, so I’d take RS5 on looks, interior and AWD. Who cares about trap speed on a car that’ll never see a track.

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      06-06-2020 06:56 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by t44tq View Post
      How small are these children of yours?

      991 Turbo is around $85k. Fits all of your performance criteria and way faster than both the M3 or the RS5.
      A nice low mileage 991 Turbo is still a $100K+. But could make a great daily.

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      06-06-2020 06:58 PM #14
      I voted RS5 because (1) possibly I am biased (2) this platform in SB variant is a great seducer and (3) I feel that the F30-derived F80 is a bit sedated.

      Call it sex appeal.


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      06-06-2020 07:30 PM #15
      Internet points? Alfa.

      What would I get? Audi or M car.

      Also, did I miss something? When did we start calling it the 4 Cheese? Quattro = 4 (so far so good); Foglio = leaf (which is not cheese). Hence the 4-leaf clover.
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      06-06-2020 08:28 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      Internet points? Alfa.

      What would I get? Audi or M car.

      Also, did I miss something? When did we start calling it the 4 Cheese? Quattro = 4 (so far so good); Foglio = leaf (which is not cheese). Hence the 4-leaf clover.
      Quadrifoglio? Quattro formaggi...o? Close enough
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      06-06-2020 08:51 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      Also, did I miss something? When did we start calling it the 4 Cheese? Quattro = 4 (so far so good); Foglio = leaf (which is not cheese). Hence the 4-leaf clover.
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      06-06-2020 08:57 PM #18
      The F80 would be a better daily driver than the E9X due to the added torque, but otherwise, it felt much more sedated to me than the E90. The example I drove was a F80 Competition pack. It's a great car, but didn't have the sense of ocassion when you drive it, which the E90 has simply because of its engine. The steering is also much less communicative in the F80.

      I haven't driven the RS5, but rarely is an Audi more engaging than a comparable BMW.

      The Giulia QF by far has that special feeling, be it the quick steering, the engine noise, the looks, the Italianness, etc. But I can understand the hesitation there if owning for longer term.

      I'd say drive them and figure it out. Personally, I'd give the RS5 the nod because it looks better, has a nicer interior, has a hatch, and the F80, while a great car, isn't as engaging as BMW M cars used to be.

      If trap speeds are the desire, why not an RS3 with a tune? Too small?

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      06-07-2020 07:19 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post
      I voted RS5 because (1) possibly I am biased (2) this platform in SB variant is a great seducer and (3) I feel that the F30-derived F80 is a bit sedated.

      Call it sex appeal.

      The F80 is nothing like a F30, mechanically. M3 for me. Proper RWD BMW.

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      06-07-2020 08:27 AM #20
      the answer as always is RS6 avant
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    22. 06-07-2020 08:46 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by t44tq View Post
      How small are these children of yours?

      991 Turbo is around $85k. Fits all of your performance criteria and way faster than both the M3 or the RS5.
      Kids grow. Cars don't.

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      06-07-2020 08:51 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Dutchmastr9 View Post
      the answer as always is RS6 avant
      The only Audi I would consider these days

    24. 06-07-2020 09:05 AM #23
      Only Intellectuals can fap without pictures, this is for the knuckle draggers

      Both are good looking cars, but the Audi is just that much more sexier IMO:





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      06-07-2020 10:00 AM #24
      I say Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio, the most special car of the three, IMO.

      Just beware, unfortunately, Alfa has been watering it down since the first model year in 2017 due to silly owners complaints about characteristics that improve performance & make it the special drive it is.

      I'm in the camp that believes reliability issues have been overblown. But I get it, it's a concern, especially as a primary driver with kids. I just think the reward outweighs the risk.
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    26. 06-07-2020 10:42 AM #25
      I've been daily driving F80 M3 including winter in Wisconsin for three years. About 10 track days too. A collection of random thoughts:

      There's great aftermarket. Rear flares are gorgeous. DCT works great. Spun crank hub problem is a big downer. You can flash tune without removing ECU and make around 500whp on pump gas reliably... Unless crank hub spins.

      I'm sure the Audi interior is nicer, the M3 is a bit of a dated sea of buttons. Steering is indeed pretty numb. I think the M is a great compromise if you really want to get on track a fair amount, for a pure street car I probably would have looked elsewhere.

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