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      04-23-2020 01:55 PM #1
      Hey DUDES, new member here. Sorta. Forgot my old login, but I've owned VWsAudis for about a decade now. Anyway, onto the 911.

      So here's the story:

      My dad's neighbor had this old 70s 911 when I was a kid that I always thought was awesome; I literally grew up next to this car. I had the opportunity to buy it 5-6 years ago, so I pulled the trigger. It had been sitting in a garage since 1992, but it was far from perfect. The brakes were seized/dragging from sitting, the paint and interior and weatherstripping were shot, the suspension was worn out, and the engine and transmission leak a crazy amount of oil, like over a quart a week.

      I got a great deal since this was just before the giant explosion in 911 pricing, but unfortunately that giant price increase affected used parts as well. Used 3.2L engines skyrocketed from $5-7,000 to $12-15,000. I can't afford that, at all, my daily is a 20 year old honda lolz

      I'm a firm believer that even super complex jobs are achievable for almost anyone if you break them up into small enough steps! I'm just a hobbyist mechanic, and I've never torn into an aircooled car before, so I'm really clueless on most of this stuff. Would appreciate any support or tips; if you see me doing something incorrectly, let me know! I don't make any money off from youtube, I do this mainly just to share knowledge, passion, and hopefully inspire others to dive in to something they've never done before. I see so many posts on here from people wanting to get 'good' at fixing cars, but the most important step is WILLINGNESS TO TRY. I've never done this. I have no experience with these cars. Let's do it!

      Here's the link for the first episode where I go over the car, discuss finding an affordable 911, and talk about the goals and overall outline of the project.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ_jFiTON2g

      Episode 2 is the How To on removing the engine/transmission. I'd never done this before, and apart from running into a few road blocks, it went pretty smoothly. I documented this partially to help everyone else out, and partially so I know how to put it back together

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W870A-EizDE

      Episode 3 Checking the Head Studs! Magnesium case, scary stuff!



      https://youtu.be/-0gUImuE5e0

      Episode 4 is up, doing a leakdown:



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUn1QOK5vDg




      Feel free to follow along! Cheers! If you have tips/tricks and advice, would LOVE to hear it. I'm a complete newb at this drivetrain.
      Last edited by ADDvanced; 05-03-2020 at 06:53 PM.

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      04-23-2020 02:27 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by ADDvanced View Post
      I'm a firm believer that even super complex jobs are achievable for almost anyone if you break them up into small enough steps! I'm just a hobbyist mechanic, and I've never torn into an aircooled car before, so I'm really clueless on most of this stuff.

      I agree. "No Fear & a Lot of Beer" will get you just about anywhere you need to be on anything mechanical.
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      04-23-2020 02:32 PM #3
      Just started watching the first video- disregard everything I said- you got this!
      What is the Atari Token ??

      Go here for all the info, articles, video, kept updated- Atari Projects & Partners

      Coming soon to the new Atari VCS hybrid mini-pc / console.

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      04-23-2020 02:37 PM #4
      Welcome!

      We have a few members undergoing mechanical refurbs and DIY's of various air cooled cars right now so you'll fit right in.

      I love the mid-years, honestly might be my favorite 911 from a stylistic standpoint (impact bumpers and all).. .especially in a brighter shade that seemed to disappear with the SCs and Carrera.

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      04-23-2020 02:51 PM #6
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      in
      As am I.


      Since that ship has sailed for me (and the aforementioned bump in prices) I'll live vicariously through other people's builds.
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      04-23-2020 03:22 PM #7
      In for the party!

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      04-23-2020 03:42 PM #8
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      Hey Rennlist
      If you're going to join multiple forums and post the same story/YT video, at least update the forum name first.
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      04-23-2020 03:47 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by chucchinchilla View Post
      If you're going to join multiple forums and post the same story/YT video, at least update the forum name first.
      lol. Sorry, was frustrated, just spent like 10 minutes trying to guess my old username/password, gave up, registered a new account, couldn't share a link without 5 posts first, ARGH. So I copied and pasted.

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      04-23-2020 04:19 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by ADDvanced View Post
      lol. Sorry, was frustrated, just spent like 10 minutes trying to guess my old username/password, gave up, registered a new account, couldn't share a link without 5 posts first, ARGH. So I copied and pasted.
      I see you fixed it. The only problem is that you're not on VWVortex, you're in The Car Lounge. Lots of people get here from other portals and it's a general car forum. Lots of them will call you out on it, too. (Not just me.)

      TL,DR: It's The Car Lounge, so fix it again!
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      04-23-2020 04:50 PM #11
      I'm in....keep on trucking man. So far so good!
      ...oh, just 'F it.

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      04-23-2020 05:20 PM #12
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      Back when making your car faster and better handling was the big thing.
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      The car's best safety feature includes ejecting you in the moment of impact and wishing you the best of luck.

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      04-23-2020 06:18 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by ADDvanced View Post
      $5-7,000 to $12-15,000. I can't afford that, at all, my daily is a 20 year old honda lolz
      *air-cooled P-car*

      You're gonna have a bad time.

      But I wish you luck and am in for the show.

      Any particulars just ask, there's a lot of hidden air cooled knowledge and experience in this forum.
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      yes, i am bored by FWD driving dynamics, and anyone who doesn't drive there cars to the limits and the beyond.

    15. 04-23-2020 06:19 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      As am I.


      Since that ship has sailed for me (and the aforementioned bump in prices) I'll live vicariously through other people's builds.
      Ditto

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      04-23-2020 09:06 PM #15
      Maybe. Depends on luck for a lot of this. Might be really bad. Might be basic. We will see.

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      04-24-2020 11:10 AM #16
      I see you changed it to “hey DUDES”. Some of the ladies may bust your chops for that one.
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      04-24-2020 02:44 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      I see you changed it to “hey DUDES”. Some of the ladies may bust your chops for that one.

      Who you calling a "lady?"


      Glad to see you documenting it OP, hell I would not be able to afford them if I did not do all the work myself nor would want to be one of those that just drops it off at a shop and has it built to your never satisfied spec. The wrenching experience is 3/4 of the fun. Granted it is not so fun when all of them are broken and it is a nice day out and you want to go out for a drive!

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      04-26-2020 03:35 PM #18
      Ep 3 is up!


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      04-26-2020 06:43 PM #19
      Woo-hoo!

      At this point most of the 2.7s had their head studs upgraded long ago, but to verify everything is okay is still a major win!


      Quote Originally Posted by TheDeckMan View Post
      Who you calling a "lady?"
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      04-26-2020 08:04 PM #20
      in on this!
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      04-26-2020 09:25 PM #21
      Just finished watching Ep3, glad to see everything is working out with the engine.

      Question for you... what is the purpose of the engine tray that surrounds the head cover?

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      04-26-2020 10:05 PM #22
      It seals the upper half of the engine to the chassis. There's weatherstripping that goes against the tray. You know that giant fan? That pushes the air down inbetween all the cylinders, and if you are missing pieces of that tray, you can overheat, since air will go wherever there is the least resistance. Basically by sealing up all the other places it could go past, it is FORCED to go in between all the cylinders.

      Yeah, EXTREMELY awesome that the head studs were in good shape!

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      04-26-2020 10:09 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by ADDvanced View Post
      It seals the upper half of the engine to the chassis. There's weatherstripping that goes against the tray. You know that giant fan? That pushes the air down inbetween all the cylinders, and if you are missing pieces of that tray, you can overheat, since air will go wherever there is the least resistance. Basically by sealing up all the other places it could go past, it is FORCED to go in between all the cylinders.

      Yeah, EXTREMELY awesome that the head studs were in good shape!
      Appreciate the info. I’ve officially subscribed so I don’t miss episode 4+

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      05-03-2020 06:54 PM #24
      Episode 4 is up! Doing a leakdown to see if it needs valve work, or rings. I guess the weird thing is because of all the trick coatings in the hugs, if you replace the rings you also replace the hugs. Stuff gets expensive FAST, so this was another huge roll of the dice.


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      05-03-2020 07:17 PM #25
      Having own 3 air-cooled P-Cars, I can tell you there is NOTHING budget about them.

      The first thing you need to do is buy a Haynes manual and learn as much as you can, like was the fan shroud does. The video are a good place to begin however you need to know the motor inside and out.

      The second thing you need to do is price out what basic R&R will cost you.

      Labor is expensive, parts are more expensive.

      Good luck!
      --Pete--

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