whatever you do, I will recommend taking the car to Tire Rack in South Bend for installation. I was well pleased with their work and site.
I've had Z1SS, Z2SS on my previous Miata, and the Pilot SuperSports on my BRZ. The Dunlops lasted a long time (even though they were loud), even with autocrossing and the Michelins were great at everything.
For the ND, I'm going to get a set of the Pilot Sport 4S once my OEM tires can get burned through. They should hold their own at autocross, even though they won't be at the top of the pack.
The Michelins even have a great warranty if it's a square setup (which may not apply to you).
I have Conti Extreme Contact Sports on my Cayman and am super happy with them. It looks like they are available in S2000 fitment and the price is really reasonable:
I wanted PS4S's but I just didn't want to spend the extra $500 at the time. Reviews put the Conti right up there with the Michelin and many reviews state they have better wet weather performance. My only beef with the tires is that they may have TOO MUCH grip. My car doesn't have the quick to rotate, loose, feeling it had on the admittedly smaller Conti DWS all seasons that my car came with. The car is a pure "on rails" kind of drive now, even in the most extreme cornering I'll do the tires feel like they still have grip for ages and don't make a sound.
The reviews I've read about the Michelin Pilot Sport AS3 suggest they're nearly as good as a dedicated summer tire but quieter and decent in the rain.
I'm due for new tires on my Corrado (300hp VR6 and similar use case to your S2000 as I gather) soon and these reviews have me seriously thinking about the AS3. I'm so biased against that all season rating though, keeping thinking about other dedicated summer options, but keep falling short.
I'm running BFG Rivals on the Miata. This car sees multiple track days a season. Do they even make these tires anymore? This is a fantastic tire that I would absolutely recommend in the extreme summer category. The Falcon Azenis were also ok, great for on road canyon carving, but got greasy on the track and have almost zero grip in the wet.
link to the version of the BFG Rival with most size options:
I dont see the staggered S2000 16in sizes you need though.
square set up of 215/45/16 might be interesting.
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Honestly unless you're racing (like at the track) I'd go with something like the A/S3+. I ran g-force sports (no comp 2 at the time) on my car back in the day and from what I remember of my AP1 I'd chose breakaway characteristics before ultimate grip. I enjoy playing with cars at the limit though and I remember the S2000 doesn't give you a lot of warning before things let go by default. In that case I'd rather lower the limits and know more about what's going on than the other way around if that makes sense.
Track days in your future? then go with the stickiest thing you can fit why not. I run AS3+ on the 135i right now in +1 widths and I fight for traction a lot. I am at like... almost 3x the torque of the F20c though so I wouldn't think that's as much of a problem for you. It is very easy to control past the limit though, which is nice.
I can't say definitively whether the Conti ExtremeContact Sports are all they're cracked up to be, but I did put my money on them for the SS.
Not sure when I'll be able to get them mounted up at this point though.
Thoughts on the Indy 500's - I had a set on my GLI. They were better than the OEM Dunlops, but that's not saying much. I wasn't terribly impressed with their grip or wet traction. Not horrible, but I didn't think they were worth all the praise they get in some circles. I suppose they're a decent value, but if cost isn't a driving factor, I'd pass. They do look kind of cool I suppose.
A lot of tires in this thread aren't made in the sizes OP needs, again assuming he has factory 16's.
The extreme performance stuff is really overkill for street driving and not very good in the wet. Also louder and shorter treadlife. Performance all seasons are not my bag, would not buy personally, also do not fit the mold of a weekend summer car at all. The Conti ECS is the best all around option for an aggressively driven street car with some possible track use, by a wide margin... They're also not very expensive.
The RE-71s have a mind numbing amount of grip. It's a brutal tire.
Also, someone asked, the staggered rears on the S wear out at roughly twice the rate as the fronts. That is from 18 years and 84k miles of owning mine.
I just put on a set of General GMAX RS tires on the wife’s Mustang, they seemed to be well rated in the wet and the cost was super reasonable too (1K CAD shipped to my door).
I’ll know more in a month or so when I actually get to drive on them but they seem nice.
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My history is I have done Star Specs and RE01-Rs back and forth mostly and been happy with both.
Much as I don’t “need” them, I hate the thought of going down to an A/S or lower performance tire, it just doesn’t seem right for the car. I’m not a track guy but when I drive the car I do like to drive it pretty hard.
I almost never drive in the rain, and the idea of worrying about tire noise or ride stiffness in the S2000 is fairly laughable, it’s going to be loud and ride rough no matter the tire.
Personally, from experience and tirerack + GRM data I think this is how the extreme category looks like as of this year:
-Yoko A052: It looks as if this is going to be the tire to beat this year. They are slightly quicker than RE71R's with better heat capacity before getting greasy and last a tad longer - the trade-off is they are really expensive
-Rival S 1.5: Probably on-par with RE71R if a tiny bit quicker. Come up to temp FAST, but tend to get greasy quick on roadcourses. Terrible rain tire (ask me how I know)
-RE71R: Obviously, the golden 200TW standard. Only issue is now they are quite an old design (the newer RE71RS is available overseas but not here) and tend to wear fairly quickly
-Falken RT660: New player in the game. GRM really liked them and they seem to be about as or a little quicker than RE71's.
-Star Spec ZIII: Also pretty newer. Seem to match RE71R's or be a tad quicker.
Endurance/HPDE oriented 200's
-Hankook RS4: Arguably these fit in the super 200 category, but they are a bit slower than above. Great HPDE/endurance tire
-Nexen SUR4G: A decent budget HPDE tire, little slower than RS4
-Falken RT615K+: Falkens old formula. Again, a competitor to the RS4, lots of people love them in the endurance racing world
Not sure about the SOO7A's, but it looks like they are a bit more street friendly than the above options. Again, all depends on what you're using the car for. If it's a street tire I'd say you absolutely cannot go wrong with the Extremecontact Sports or the Michelin PS4S's. Good luck!
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I hated my g-Force Sports. Replaced with Direzzas (same as he has now) and wow, what a difference.
If you can get the Conti ExtremeContact Sports in your size, I'd do that. They are a bit down in performance from the PS4S, but not enough to matter for street driving. I had them on my 986S with a street performance alignment, and they were fantastic--huge step forward from the Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2's it came with.
RE-71R is the best for performance, but they are loud. A lot of first posts after installing them are asking if something is wrong. S007A splits the difference between max performance and extreme performance and is a very reasonable if not particularly exciting choice. I haven't tried them yet, but see them as value PS4's with a little bit less street manners.
That said, if you're happy with your Dunlops now and not competing seriously in autocross, I would just keep going with Dunlop and get the Z3s. (And if you are competing, RE-71R is an easy choice).
PS4S’s are great street tires. They do not stand up to track days or heavy cars, but that doesn’t sound like your S2000.
My friend ran S007A’s on his ATS-V, and while the track ate them alive, they were decent on the street.
I ran Direzzas in the past and I found that they were noisy, meh in the rain, and broke traction abruptly when they were up to temp, but then they’d get greasy easily.
RE71’s and their competitors probably won’t do you wrong, but might be overkill for your use case.
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Originally Posted by Phillie Phanatic
G-MAX AS02 or AS05 they make them on 16in wheels i had them on my G5 Gol, great tires for the price, lasted quiet a few KMs i put around 80K Kms on them i sold my car with them they still had about 25% thread on them. Pretty confident on wet pretty sticky it took quiet a bit to make them loose grip. Price wise they were really cheap, nothing compared to what Pilot Sports but quiet frankly if you are rarely going to drive it and you don't do track that much price quality is up top.
I never found the re71r that loud, especially when you compare them to the Kumho xcsta v720, those were wheel bearing bad loud. But they did get louder as they wore out, just not enough to bother me, and in an s2000, I think all the other noises it makes will probably make tire noises minimal.
About the ECS, did one autocross in them in steady rain on a concrete surface, drove them in the same style as I would drive a 200 tw in the dry, at the same event, I was within a few tenths of my dry time on the Rivals. Have not tried them in the dry, but were perfectly fine for street use. Man that made rain autocross fun
There is also the maxxis vr1 200tw tire, probably not the fastest, but it seems like a solid tire to use if you don't need a top 200tw tire.
RE-71s for sure if you plan on AutoX. They are worth a full second or more (an eternity in AutoX time) over the other tires mentioned here. They stick well on the track too, but can overheat. I have a set I switch to for AutoX on the Subaru and don't notice much in the way of additional noise or harshness over Michelins. I have to think the difference is even less on a convertible. They wear quick, but wear won't be as bad on an S2000 as a heavier car. I got 10k street miles and ~50 AutoX runs on my Mazdaspeed Miata, which is only a little lighter than an S2K.
For my S2000, I plan to get RE71-Rs again. They're high quality, had no balancing issues, had tremendous grip, as mentioned and good steering response, and to me they suited the car's characteristics very well. For the small price difference, I think they're well worth it.
I have no idea how some of the newer tires which are aimed directly at the RE-71R are. Assuming they're the same price, maybe they're better, maybe not, but at least with the RE-71R you know what you're getting.
I’m leaning towards the Direzzas for three reasons:
-Like my ZIIs
-$40 cheaper (not a huge deal but still nice)
-most importantly new so when I need new rears in 2-3 years I can get more instead of the REs which will likely be on a new generation by then, and I’ll either be mismatched or have to buy 4 tires instead of 2
I’m not an auto-x guy (sorry CP) so that advantage is wasted on me.
Thanks guys appreciate all of the insight.