If the next generation Z was powered by a variant of the Leaf power train, Nissan would be able to sell it for 10 years.
The Leaf already makes much more torque than a Z. Or at least it could. I'd think it could completely beat an ICE in every performance metric. It probably needs to be modified to be better on the track.
Most customers don't want to road trip or tow. It's got to have a decent range, but nothing unreasonable. Batteries are about 5% cheaper every year, so it makes the price target, and becomes more profitable year after year.
Start with a base model that's just a hair faster than the new Corvette 0-60, then introduce the fast model later.
Is Nissan finally going to replace the FM platform, or is this just one more massaging of the circa 2001 design?
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Chevy: 82 Cavalier Type 10, 94 Cavalier Coupe* | Chrysler: 96 Town & Country* | Ford: 73 F100, 88 F150, 18 F150* | Jeep: 78 CJ-5 | Mazdas: 83 GLC, 85 RX7 GS, 86 323, 90 323, 90 B2600i, 92 Miata, 97 Protege, 01 B2300, 01 B3000, 04 RX8 | Nissan: 90 240SX SE | Plymouth: 88 Caravan* | Pontiac: 84 Grand Prix* | Toyota: 84 Celica GTS, 02 Tundra*
I'm paying attention to this, and I'm really curious what Nissan is going to do here. A lot of potential for a really awesome car, and almost an equal chance at getting a completely late automatic only POS.
We'll see, I have my fingers crossed that a true BRZ / GT86 competitor emerges from this.
We could debate endlessly what is a sufficient amount of HP for the street, I'll just say for my "family" car, an ECU/DSG tuned S4 (~400HP) is not enough power. For a daily driving sedan with AWD, my general criteria if I'm buying today would be under 4000lbs and over 450HP, without AWD under 3800lbs. Right now I think only Mercedes (AMG 63's), Alfa (Quadrifoglio) and Cadillac (the prior, SC'd V models) really hit that mark, with BMW and Audi coming somewhat close with the M4/RS4.
I have never understood TCL's "anything faster than X or more horsepower than Y isn't good for the street" logic. I'm happy to hear your side though!
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Originally Posted by Phillie Phanatic
400hp in a daily for any car enthusiast is MORE than enough, but yes, we could debate endlessly. For those who want even more, that's where the aftermarket shines brightly. I hope Nissan doesn't make a GTR out of this car, and let people turn it into a GTR if that's what they want.
I mean lets be honest here, no one is going to exceed 90 mph on a day-today basis here (if you don't take it to the track, which most won't) so how much power can you put down to the ground, and how many times are you really going to hit 90 mph from a standstill? Compared to the times you'll take aggressive highway entrances and exits, swooping backroad corners, etc. where lightness will be the noticeable characteristic and power will just be a nice-to-have.
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