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      03-08-2020 01:08 PM #1
      March 08, 2020 12:00 AM 12 HOURS AGO
      Top Ford dealers see small pickup due in '21
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      Ford Motor Co. is betting a compact, unibody pickup due out in late 2021 will fill an entry-level hole in its portfolio created when it discontinued low-margin sedans in North America.

      COO Jim Farley and other executives showed off the still-unnamed pickup to roughly 100 of its highest-volume retailers at a multiday event in Tucson last month, according to some who attended. Ford has indicated to retailers the vehicle will be priced under $20,000, dealers told Automotive News, making it roughly $5,000 less expensive than the base version of the Ranger midsize pickup. One dealer said the sides of the vehicle resembled that of the original Ranger.

      The small pickup, codenamed P758, is expected to be built at Ford's plant in Hermosillo, Mexico, and have an annual volume of more than 100,000, suppliers have been told.

      A Ford spokesman said the company doesn't comment on future products.

      Ford has said it plans to launch an affordable, "white space" product by 2022 but has not said what type of vehicle it will be.

      The small pickup would join the EcoSport as Ford's new entry-level vehicles, with the elimination of the Fiesta and Focus and impending death of the Fusion. Dealers have said adding more affordable products to keep entry-level buyers is one of their top concerns this year.

      Read more: https://www.autonews.com/cars-concep...-pickup-due-21

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      03-08-2020 01:14 PM #2
      Very much looking forward to this.

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      Man... this all-trucks strategy just doesn’t feel sustainable. But what do I know?

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      03-08-2020 01:32 PM #5
      Why is FoMoCo choosing unibody in this case as opposed to body on frame?

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      03-08-2020 01:36 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Man... this all-trucks strategy just doesn’t feel sustainable. But what do I know?
      got an email the other day from Ford saying "you love our cars... why not look at our SUVs?"

      haha. Maybe if they stop making Chryslers and Chevys. We'll see.
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      03-08-2020 02:04 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by antilock View Post
      Why is FoMoCo choosing unibody in this case as opposed to body on frame?
      Because it starts under $20,000, they need efficiency for CAFE numbers and it’s probably going to be based on a FWD truck already in production.

      Well that, and they don’t want it to compete head-to-Head with the Ranger.
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      03-08-2020 02:27 PM #8
      Slots in well under the ranger starting at less than $20k. It will find plenty of buyers I’m sure.

      An evolution of the Ford Courier perhaps?



      Worth noting the GM and FCA could quickly bring their own version since they all have something in this class outside the US.

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      03-08-2020 03:16 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Man... this all-trucks strategy just doesn’t feel sustainable. But what do I know?
      it's not, honestly. i'm looking forward to this idea catching fire and collapsing on itself in embarrassment.
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      03-08-2020 05:28 PM #11
      This spy shot from 2018 (Australia) shows they have been working it it for a while (this example is a two door box config.. like a truck/van thing).
      This is a C2/Focus platform based ute.
      Is this a replacement for the Transit Connect in US market as the Transit Connect never really caught on as a passenger vehicles, and Ford really needs this type of vehicle to sell in high enough numbers to make it profitable?
      Change the Transit Connect to a "truck" with an F150 style vibe and also sell it in commercial box form.
      Might work.. I like the idea of a smaller lighter lower truck.. especially if they can make it a good package for the price.


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      03-08-2020 11:42 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      This spy shot from 2018 (Australia) shows they have been working it it for a while (this example is a two door box config.. like a truck/van thing).
      This is a C2/Focus platform based ute.
      Is this a replacement for the Transit Connect in US market as the Transit Connect never really caught on as a passenger vehicles, and Ford really needs this type of vehicle to sell in high enough numbers to make it profitable?
      This is related to the next gen Transit Connect which will also be made in Mexico. Technically an all new platform, C3 I guess you could call it.

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      03-09-2020 02:07 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      This is related to the next gen Transit Connect which will also be made in Mexico. Technically an all new platform, C3 I guess you could call it.
      But it is the same one they are developing in Australia?
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      03-09-2020 05:36 AM #14
      I love it, since this generation of midsize pickups are pretty large. Something small, affordable, zippy, with typical Ford cool features and utility, actually sounds like a great addition to their lineup. If anyone can do this, it's Ford, and it will be interesting to see if anyone (say...the Koreans) will try to compete.

      What would be entertaining is if it sparks a new mini truck craze ala the 80's.
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      03-09-2020 07:45 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Man... this all-trucks strategy just doesn’t feel sustainable. But what do I know?
      The Escape and Baby Bronco probably won't be much less fuel efficient than the Fusion was, so no major loss there.
      Ford has also gone all in on hybrids, for most of its CUVs.
      I'd be curious to see what Ford's CAFE rating is now, versus 2014 or so.

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      03-09-2020 07:49 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by kraut_pauer79 View Post
      I love it, since this generation of midsize pickups are pretty large. Something small, affordable, zippy, with typical Ford cool features and utility, actually sounds like a great addition to their lineup. If anyone can do this, it's Ford, and it will be interesting to see if anyone (say...the Koreans) will try to compete.

      What would be entertaining is if it sparks a new mini truck craze ala the 80's.
      Hasn't Hyundai already confirmed the Santa Fe based pick-up?
      It will probably be more of Ridgeline competitor than entry-level, but the Koreans are definitely going to be in the unibody truck market.

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      03-09-2020 08:39 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      it's not, honestly. i'm looking forward to this idea catching fire and collapsing on itself in embarrassment.
      Yea, hopefully all the Ford employees, suppliers and dealers subject to this ****ty leadership all lose their jobs too

      Ford still makes and sells cars.... just not in the US. If the market warrants bringing them back.... they can and will.

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      03-09-2020 10:25 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      One dealer said the sides of the vehicle resembled that of the original Ranger.
      Size? Good lord "journalism" these days

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      03-09-2020 10:31 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Slots in well under the ranger starting at less than $20k. It will find plenty of buyers I’m sure.

      An evolution of the Ford Courier perhaps?



      Worth noting the GM and FCA could quickly bring their own version since they all have something in this class outside the US.

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      Each and every one of those are hideous. Yikes

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      03-09-2020 11:16 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Man... this all-trucks strategy just doesn’t feel sustainable. But what do I know?
      People are calling the Ford Escape a "truck" now?

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      03-09-2020 12:48 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Yea, hopefully all the Ford employees, suppliers and dealers subject to this ****ty leadership all lose their jobs too

      Ford still makes and sells cars.... just not in the US. If the market warrants bringing them back.... they can and will.
      Hopefully they won't still all be the almost decade old ones they stopped selling now because "just not selling very well".
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      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Yea, hopefully all the Ford employees, suppliers and dealers subject to this ****ty leadership all lose their jobs too

      Ford still makes and sells cars.... just not in the US. If the market warrants bringing them back.... they can and will.
      yep, and no one will buy them because why would they. The Japanese and Korean build theirs better.
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      03-09-2020 01:01 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      This is related to the next gen Transit Connect which will also be made in Mexico. Technically an all new platform, C3 I guess you could call it.
      Platform is C2, the new Focus/Escape/Baby Bronco platform.

      This was originally the Transit Connect pickup but has morphed into Baby Bronco pickup.

      This is what I posted in the Bronco thread last week: https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...#post114187655

      The name for Baby Bronco is yet to be confirmed but initial rumor is Bronco Scout but now seems to be Bronco Sport.

      Ford is also working on two pickup trucks that may be under the Bronco branding. The first one is Bronco pickup, which will be similar in concept to the OG Explorer Sporttrac. It is supposedly being evaluated right now by Ford and no final decision has been made. The second one is baby Bronco pickup. This was originally the Transit Connect pickup but when Ford pulled the plug on Focus, this one got send back to the drawing board and instead of using Transit Connect front end, it will probably end up with Bronco Sport front end. The next gen Transit Connect and baby Bronco are sharing the same assembly line in Mexico where Fusion is made now so this baby truck is sort of the mixing of DNA mutant.

      To recap, we could have as many as 5 Broncos in a few short years:

      1. Bronco Sport compact C2 unibody (Escape with beefier suspension and different body)
      2. Bronco Sport 4 door pickup C2 unibody (using Transit Connect's LWB platform)
      3. Bronco 2 door BOF SWB
      4. Bronco 4 door BOF LWB
      5. Bronco Sportrac 4 door BOF pickup
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      03-09-2020 01:05 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Slots in well under the ranger starting at less than $20k. It will find plenty of buyers I’m sure.

      An evolution of the Ford Courier perhaps?
      This truck is much bigger than the old Courier and Fiat Strada which are based on old Fiesta and Siena platform. The truck Ford is working on is the same size as Transit Connect. The closest competitors would be Fiat Toro and upcoming Hyundai Santa Cruz. Or VW Tarok if VW actually makes it.

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      03-09-2020 01:34 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      Platform is C2, the new Focus/Escape/Baby Bronco platform.
      OK for some reason I thought the 3rd generation Focus was on C2 but I guess it was C1 that dates back to ~2004. That all makes sense now.

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