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      02-13-2020 11:43 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Sold Over Sticker View Post
      I cannot imagine that BMW would program an auto rev match that would spin the engine past redline.
      If he would of clutched out, the whole scenario would have played out much differently than the car just continuing to coast down the highway. He confirms that he didn't clutch out here, but the rest of the thread is a good read.

      The other thing is, his car was tuned, so the tune could have removed protections BMW puts in there to prevent this. Until someone tries it on a non-tuned car, we won't know for sure.
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      02-13-2020 11:58 AM #52
      there would be no way the ECU would allow the auto-blip function to try and spin the motor faster than the motor can physically spin. it has no ignition maps, no fueling maps no timing or boost maps to try and spin the motor past redline.

      that would be ****ing stupid. it would actually be even more dangerous than a money shift because then just pushing the stick in the wrong place would regularly blow up the engine, never mind letting out the clutch. just a wiggle of the stick while shifting would cause the motor to self-destruct itself.

      no, whether he says he did or not, he dropped the clutch.
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      02-13-2020 12:00 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by ND40oz View Post
      If he would of clutched out, the whole scenario would have played out much differently than the car just continuing to coast down the highway. He confirms that he didn't clutch out here, but the rest of the thread is a good read.

      The other thing is, his car was tuned, so the tune could have removed protections BMW puts in there to prevent this. Until someone tries it on a non-tuned car, we won't know for sure.
      I also heard that the rev-matching happens in all drive modes, except DSC-off. The rev matching will start once you pull into a gear (still clutched in). When you are at risk of doing a money shift then there will be a high pitched wail where everyone in their right mind would quickly switch back to neutral or keep the clutch in.

      I didn't hear such a wail in this vid. Anyway, the guy who was explaining about the DSC-off seemed to imply that was what was at play here. Guy apparently sought to get the engine replaced under warranty, though BMW basically told him they don't cover driver error, only manufacturing defects.

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      02-13-2020 12:10 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by Zembla View Post
      I also heard that the rev-matching happens in all drive modes, except DSC-off. The rev matching will start once you pull into a gear (still clutched in). When you are at risk of doing a money shift then there will be a high pitched wail where everyone in their right mind would quickly switch back to neutral or keep the clutch in.
      Yeah, as soon as you move the stick into the gate it rev-matches. I don't know about a high pitched sound though if you go into the wrong gear, never heard it with mine.

      Quote Originally Posted by Zembla View Post
      I didn't hear such a wail in this vid. Anyway, the guy who was explaining about the DSC-off seemed to imply that was what was at play here. Guy apparently sought to get the engine replaced under warranty, though BMW basically told him they don't cover driver error, only manufacturing defects.

      Or some such.
      If you look at his gauge cluster, DSC wasn't off. But that is the only way to turn off the rev match feature without coding it out completely which also turns off the stall prevention feature and you have to press the start button twice.
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      02-13-2020 12:23 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by ND40oz View Post
      here, but the rest of the thread is a good read.
      lmao, this is awesome. His instagram is m2_skyblue and is filled with **** like this:

      https://www.instagram.com/p/B3xG4ARo..._web_copy_link


      lol jus cruisin on the highway at 6500 rpm #savethemanuals


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      02-13-2020 12:29 PM #56
      Guy takes more pictures while going over 100 mph more than any one I know, so irresponsible. He pretty much got what he deserved.

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      02-13-2020 12:33 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by Sold Over Sticker View Post
      I cannot imagine that BMW would program an auto rev match that would spin the engine past redline.
      For sure.

      Redlines are fine, fuel cuts are fine, but a mechanical overrun like this gives no ****s about any of it.

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      02-13-2020 12:37 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by EverthingIsTerrible View Post
      lmao, this is awesome. His instagram is m2_skyblue and is filled with **** like this:

      https://www.instagram.com/p/B3xG4ARo..._web_copy_link


      lol jus cruisin on the highway at 6500 rpm #savethemanuals


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      maybe its just me, but i wouldnt put anything in the circle of "unrealistic" when it comes to sex.

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      02-13-2020 12:38 PM #59
      Yeah I'm going with there's no way the dude didn't let off the clutch. Either that or his tuner is an imbecile, but I highly suspect the former.

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      02-13-2020 12:41 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      Do it for the grams.
      The best part is all his posts are hashtagged #savethemanuals and that is literally what killed his car because he sucks at driving. Bet his next car has a ZF8

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      02-13-2020 12:59 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      I money shifted a rental race car at the Nuburgring just before Schwedenkreuz. I was right at redline in 4th and went for 5th... I got 3rd. I didn't even let the clutch all the way out before I heard an awful noise. Clutched in right away, but the head was already toast. In my defense, it was a car I had never driven and had a super notchy short shifter. No resistance from the sychros at all- went into 3rd like butter. The rental company told me I was the 3rd person to money shift that car

      Expensive, but memorable. I still have a bent valve as a souvenir.
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      02-13-2020 01:16 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
      i money shifted my spec car on track. top of third, into 2nd instead of 4th. engine spun up over 10krpm (based on where i saw the needle), and it seemed fine ... 2 laps later it dropped a valve. failed retainer.

      so, i had the head repaired, sanded the dent in the piston flat, and ran the engine for another season. cost me about 500 bucks total
      Yeah the clutch on that car will still be fine, based on the vid he bent more than a few valves at minimum. You can tell he tried to go back in gear and accelerate and the car wasn't having it. Valve float at those speeds will result in piston impacts QUICK. Usually, in these situations the bottom end will be okay, but the head will be trashed.

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      02-13-2020 01:20 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by EverthingIsTerrible View Post
      Guy takes more pictures while going over 100 mph more than any one I know, so irresponsible. He pretty much got what he deserved.
      He's on an unrestricted stretch of autobahn. It is perfectly legal to do these speeds. You can see the unrestricted icon in the dash next to his speed in kmph.

      On another note...an S55 crate engine is nearly $27k from BMW without installation. It could be a VERY expensive mistake.
      We don't need a thread every time you decide to care about something.

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      02-13-2020 01:27 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by G_RockNYTN View Post
      He's on an unrestricted stretch of autobahn. It is perfectly legal to do these speeds. You can see the unrestricted icon in the dash next to his speed in kmph.
      I know hes on the autobahn, how is that an excuse to take dozens of photos and videos while doing 175 mph? I dont care where he is, it is irresponsible to do those speeds with one hand on the wheel and the other trying to hold a phone steady.

      Cant believe you would even try to defende such nonsense

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      02-13-2020 01:32 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by Sold Over Sticker View Post
      I cannot imagine that BMW would program an auto rev match that would spin the engine past redline.
      What if they fooled you once?
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      02-13-2020 01:33 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by EverthingIsTerrible View Post
      dunno man. any time I have ever shifted improperly the loud and jarring feeling of grinding the gears has immediately clued me in to whatever im doing is wrong so its pretty crazy the dude just forces his way right through that.
      cause you drive a ****ty VW with crappy syncro's with 1st and 2nd gear being notchy AF

      I take it youve never done a track day? When pushing it hard, it's totally possible to accidentally put it in 2nd instead of 4th or any other combo. Heck I once put my car in 1st when I wanted to go into 3rd while cruising and just spacing out. Luckily I caught it and depressed the clutch immediately.

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      02-13-2020 01:35 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      cause you drive a ****ty VW with crappy syncro's with 1st and 2nd gear being notchy AF
      True

      I take it youve never done a track day? When pushing it hard,
      Lemme stop ya right there hoss, this dude was on the highway not the track.

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      02-13-2020 01:36 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by G_RockNYTN View Post
      He's on an unrestricted stretch of autobahn. It is perfectly legal to do these speeds. You can see the unrestricted icon in the dash next to his speed in kmph.

      On another note...an S55 crate engine is nearly $27k from BMW without installation. It could be a VERY expensive mistake.
      The speed isn't the problem.
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      Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
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      02-13-2020 01:38 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by EverthingIsTerrible View Post
      True


      Lemme stop ya right there hoss, this dude was on the highway not the track.
      My point is when driving "hard" its totally plausible to accidentally money shift, whether it be a canyon road, highway run or track day.

      Manuals arent dying, people are just killing them

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      02-13-2020 01:38 PM #70
      on a sidenote, he's actually pretty lucky. At that speed, a mis-shift like that could easily disrupt the balance and stability of the car, and no stability control is going to save you at that speed from losing control.

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      02-13-2020 01:40 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by ND40oz View Post
      If he would of clutched out, the whole scenario would have played out much differently than the car just continuing to coast down the highway. He confirms that he didn't clutch out here, but the rest of the thread is a good read.

      The other thing is, his car was tuned, so the tune could have removed protections BMW puts in there to prevent this. Until someone tries it on a non-tuned car, we won't know for sure.
      It's impossible to protect a mechanical overrev from a downshift with electronics.

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      02-13-2020 01:41 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by EverthingIsTerrible View Post
      I know hes on the autobahn, how is that an excuse to take dozens of photos and videos while doing 175 mph? I dont care where he is, it is irresponsible to do those speeds with one hand on the wheel and the other trying to hold a phone steady.

      Cant believe you would even try to defende such nonsense
      Are you talking about a different video? The one in the OP was clearly taken by a passenger. How are you so consistently bad at this?

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      02-13-2020 01:42 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      It's impossible to protect a mechanical overrev from a downshift with electronics.
      if an auto transmission can prevent you from overreving surely there has to be a way the computer can sense that a gear change below "x" would cause overrun and block engagement of that gear?

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      02-13-2020 01:43 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      It's impossible to protect a mechanical overrev from a downshift with electronics.
      I mean in theory it would be possible to make a mechanical/electronic lockout of certain gears. That's exactly what GM's skip shift "feature" does, and in this case, a feature like that would have prevented the gear from being engaged at that speed.

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