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      02-11-2020 03:23 AM #1
      The Volt has been great so far but will be retired either this month or next. It has served us well so far but with some recent adjustments and changes, we got my wife a larger car and now we need a larger car for myself as well.

      Criteria:
      • $20k all-in max. Wife got the nice car, I can work with simple.
      • Needs to reliably cover ~20k miles annually. Assume all maintenance will be kept up to date. I'd like to squeeze out 3-4 years of good service out of it and it have some value after that period.
      • Reasonably spaced back-seat. In the meantime needs to comfortably accommodate a rear-facing infant carrier and will transition to a regular child's car seat with time.
      • Cargo area - has to be a hatch for easy loading. The most critically sized item that I need to carry is a multi-position ladder is 43" long and 20" wide. It can either fit in the long way (in direction of car) or the short way (perpendicular to car) WITHOUT having to drop the rear seats. Other Pelican cases and work bags are easy enough to arrange. When the taller 24' foot ladder is used, seats will be dropped to accommodate the folded ~6ish foot length but that's fairly rare that I need to take the longest one out.
      • Reasonable efficiency for it's size
      • Interior fit and finish that's decent and has some soft touch surfaces.


      Those are the most important. Short of going to Carmax and going hatch to hatch, I wanted to see if the TCL collective can point out some models for consideration.

      Interesting fact - I dropped in to a Toyota store on the way from a site and the new '20 RAV4 doesn't fit the trunk criteria whereas the previous gen works!

      Looking forward to your thoughts and feedback!

    2. 02-11-2020 04:17 AM #2
      Newest CX5 that fits the budget.
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    3. 02-11-2020 04:29 AM #3
      Wayy under 20k

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      02-11-2020 05:29 AM #4
      Less than $20K with TTL in California puts you just a bit over $18K selling price. Wanting to drive it 80K miles in four years almost requires a new car or used with a few miles, 43" trunk depth is harder to meet.

      How about a Golf SportWagen? Searching can find new 2019 examples for $18.1K which meets the price point, certainly it has the depth to the ladder in the cargo area.

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      02-11-2020 07:08 AM #5
      Used CX-5 or Golf Sportwagen

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      02-11-2020 07:26 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Cr4shT3st View Post
      Newest CX5 that fits the budget.
      The trunk is a bit on the smaller side in those, at least compared to the previous generation Rav4. Edit - the CX-5 is supposed to be 41" wide between the wheel wells and about 31" deep, so it might work, depending.

      What about a few-year-old nicely optioned Santa Fe Sport (the 2 row)? You may even be able to get a lightly used current generation for your budget. I'd think you would need something in that middle ground or go for an Outback or some other non-compact wagon. CX-9 Tourings are starting to get to that price point as well. Or just go full 3-row and leave the rear seats down. That opens up a lot. Highlander, MDX, etc. Having more than enough space is nice.

      I like the Carmax idea though.
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      02-11-2020 10:52 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Samson View Post
      The trunk is a bit on the smaller side in those, at least compared to the previous generation Rav4. Edit - the CX-5 is supposed to be 41" wide between the wheel wells and about 31" deep, so it might work, depending.

      What about a few-year-old nicely optioned Santa Fe Sport (the 2 row)? You may even be able to get a lightly used current generation for your budget. I'd think you would need something in that middle ground or go for an Outback or some other non-compact wagon. CX-9 Tourings are starting to get to that price point as well. Or just go full 3-row and leave the rear seats down. That opens up a lot. Highlander, MDX, etc. Having more than enough space is nice.

      I like the Carmax idea though.
      We looked at these. Despite how big they look, the back seat room for a reverse car seat left the front passenger nearly in the dash. The CX-5 had more room and they aren't exactly known for that.

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      02-11-2020 11:11 AM #8
      WIATA? Wagon is always the answer.

      As a previous field engineer that carried two Pelican 1510s and a collapsible ladder all over the US in a multitude of cars and vans:

      -Cool and useful car: Wagon
      -Actually useful: Transit Connect (or similar)
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      02-11-2020 11:17 AM #9
      How about an extended cab Toyota Tacoma with a tonneau cover?

      Perhaps you could justify stretching your budget up to 25k knowing that the depreciation would be almost nothing when you're done with it after 4 years.

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      02-11-2020 11:34 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by QUIRKiT View Post
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      Maybe the larger Prius V model?

      Quote Originally Posted by corrado-correr View Post
      How about an extended cab Toyota Tacoma with a tonneau cover?

      Perhaps you could justify stretching your budget up to 25k knowing that the depreciation would be almost nothing when you're done with it after 4 years.
      I second this suggestion.


      I don't think it'll fit your cargo spec but the Kia Soul is a solid bang for the buck proposition. Thrifty, transferable 10 year 100k warranty, decent interior materials, lots of standard kit, KISS powertrain, hatch, and new or used good values in my opinion.

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      02-11-2020 05:14 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by corrado-correr View Post
      How about an extended cab Toyota Tacoma with a tonneau cover?

      Perhaps you could justify stretching your budget up to 25k knowing that the depreciation would be almost nothing when you're done with it after 4 years.
      There’s no way a rear facing infant seat will fit in an extended cab Tacoma. Also, the stupid doors creak like crazy on extended cab Tacos, double cab or bust.

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      02-11-2020 05:31 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by corrado-correr View Post
      How about an extended cab Toyota Tacoma with a tonneau cover?

      Perhaps you could justify stretching your budget up to 25k knowing that the depreciation would be almost nothing when you're done with it after 4 years.
      Extended cab is too small for a useable backseat. Double cab, however, is not a bad idea and a tonneua cover/shell would hide and protect all of the relevant items. That Tacoma premium tax though is bonkers...can't believe they're still in the $20k range for almost 10 year old models...at that price range, any reason not to look at the 4Runner of similar vintage? Photos don't make the cargo area look all that large though.

      Prius and Prius V are not bad ideas - I'll need to get those sized out.

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      02-11-2020 10:43 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Cr4shT3st View Post
      Newest CX5 that fits the budget.
      Depending on how tall he/his wife are, might not work with a rear facing child seat which is ridiculous.

      If crossovers are OK, pretty much any smaller mainstream midsizer with a planetary gearbox (Highlander, Sorento, Edge, Acadia?) should do the trick.

      Car wise.... I think you can get an A7 for $20K, but I wouldn't trust a $20K A7 for 60-80K pain free miles.

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      02-11-2020 07:39 AM #15
      A civic hatch cargo area is more than 43' wide but not between the wheel wells. So depending on how you want the ladder to fit it may or may not work.

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      02-11-2020 08:38 AM #16
      Sportwagen is my easy choice, with the space you need.
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      02-11-2020 08:41 AM #17
      All of the people suggesting compact cars are amusing. The ladder with seats up is the hard part. CUVs are tall but short, wagons are low and long.

      Here you go, OP:



      Found on Autotrader for $19,991


      Of say F-it, get a Suburban and take any damn thing you want with you.

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      02-11-2020 11:06 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      All of the people suggesting compact cars are amusing. The ladder with seats up is the hard part. CUVs are tall but short, wagons are low and long.

      Here you go, OP:



      Found on Autotrader for $19,991


      Of say F-it, get a Suburban and take any damn thing you want with you.
      This all day - I have the sportback version of this and it is a FANTASTIC car.

      Definitely look at the TourX as they're super cheap compared to others in the class and quite reliable
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      02-12-2020 08:33 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Chockomon View Post
      This all day - I have the sportback version of this and it is a FANTASTIC car.

      Definitely look at the TourX as they're super cheap compared to others in the class and quite reliable
      Same, and I've championed this car because I'm very happy with mine, but I would say go with the sportback. It sounds like you have young children like I do. My daughter has a rearward facing Extend2fit car seat fully extended behind me (I'm 5'9") and I'm comfortable in the seating position. The bulky infant seat fits fine behind a comfortable front seat passenger, which we cannot do in my wife's Grand Cherokee. Trunk is large enough for two strollers too. The reason I say don't go TourX is 1. they are more expensive and 2. no AWD which increases efficiency and reduces complexity. The Regals use a haldex system, I believe, which are costly to repair when they break. The one in my old Saab broke twice in my 80k miles of ownership from new, each time costing me $900 to repair.

      My car is a base model and I bought mine brand new in 2018 for $23,000 OTD. I'm willing to bet you can find a lightly used one for less than $20k out the door with some options if you prefer, or else a leftover model brand new that you can haggle down awfully close to $20k.

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      02-12-2020 03:03 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by qwikz28 View Post
      Same, and I've championed this car because I'm very happy with mine, but I would say go with the sportback. It sounds like you have young children like I do. My daughter has a rearward facing Extend2fit car seat fully extended behind me (I'm 5'9") and I'm comfortable in the seating position. The bulky infant seat fits fine behind a comfortable front seat passenger, which we cannot do in my wife's Grand Cherokee. Trunk is large enough for two strollers too. The reason I say don't go TourX is 1. they are more expensive and 2. no AWD which increases efficiency and reduces complexity. The Regals use a haldex system, I believe, which are costly to repair when they break. The one in my old Saab broke twice in my 80k miles of ownership from new, each time costing me $900 to repair.

      My car is a base model and I bought mine brand new in 2018 for $23,000 OTD. I'm willing to bet you can find a lightly used one for less than $20k out the door with some options if you prefer, or else a leftover model brand new that you can haggle down awfully close to $20k.

      Counterargument: Sexy wagon.



      But seriously, I'd be shocked if the stuff you need to fit did not fit into a Golf Sportwagen.





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      02-12-2020 03:30 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      But seriously, I'd be shocked if the stuff you need to fit did not fit into a Golf Sportwagen.
      I'll drop into Neftin VW tonight on the way home from a site visit and will test fit my gear. Will report tonight!

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      02-12-2020 03:37 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      Counterargument: Sexy wagon.



      But seriously, I'd be shocked if the stuff you need to fit did not fit into a Golf Sportwagen.





      Don't get me wrong, GSW is a fantastic car and as a big VW guy, I do love them. The Regal definitely has a lot more interior space, especially rear seat room. I wouldn't be too concerned with the AWD system either, I have it on my Sportback and its definitely fantastic. Plus, the comfort level of the TourX will be much higher than that of the GSW.

      On the other end, fuel economy is better in the sportwagen due to the smaller engine and FWD. But I don't think you can beat the practicality with the price of the TourX. If you don't get a 2018/2019 GSW, your warranty will be better on the Regal (4yr/60k miles B2B vs 3/36 miles).
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    23. 02-12-2020 05:30 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      All of the people suggesting compact cars are amusing. The ladder with seats up is the hard part. CUVs are tall but short, wagons are low and long.

      Here you go, OP:



      Found on Autotrader for $19,991


      Of say F-it, get a Suburban and take any damn thing you want with you.
      Thats alot of car for 19,xxx

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      02-15-2020 01:19 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      All of the people suggesting compact cars are amusing. The ladder with seats up is the hard part. CUVs are tall but short, wagons are low and long.

      Here you go, OP:



      Found on Autotrader for $19,991


      Of say F-it, get a Suburban and take any damn thing you want with you.
      The tourx is such an under appreciated car. All of this generations regals are. Theyre all hatches. If I can get this job Im applying for, Im absolutely buying the tourx

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      02-11-2020 08:51 AM #25
      Need to carry a ladder? There’s an E9x for that:


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