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      02-09-2020 04:39 PM #1
      speculate with me here - what do you think will happen to the 981 GT4 prices over the next couple of years? Up? Down? Flat?


    2. 02-09-2020 04:59 PM #2
      My guess would be they will go down a bit with introduction of 4.0L GT4 and GTS and level out in the mid 70s for non bucket seats and non ceramic while buckets seats and ceramic may be in the low-mid 80s.

      There is no like for like comparison with prior models but if you use 987 Cayman R as a data point, they seem to have stablished in the mid to high 60s for manual equipped versions. I cannot see a 981 GT4 drop that low any time soon hence the guess of them leveling out in the mid 70s.

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      02-09-2020 05:07 PM #3
      I agree with the above post however I'd like to throw in an additional thought I had, how will this/other current Porsche cars fare against the future onslaught of EV sports cars. Will values go down as cars like this get outpaced by faster accelerating EVs or will values go up more as people look for an ICE vehicle to savor. I'd say the latter.
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      02-09-2020 06:48 PM #4
      I would expect a slight decrease in value as the newer model is better. Once they swap to electric assist and smaller engines again, they will slowly climb. Not investment worthy if that's what you are looking at.
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      02-09-2020 06:39 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by mkvvr32 View Post
      My guess would be they will go down a bit with introduction of 4.0L GT4 and GTS and level out in the mid 70s for non bucket seats and non ceramic while buckets seats and ceramic may be in the low-mid 80s.
      I agree with this. Any clean sample with under 30K miles won't depreciate pass $70K.

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      02-09-2020 07:13 PM #6
      They are going to keep dropping now that the 718 GT4 is almost here. Once everyone trades theirs in, they'll get into the 60s for cars with track mileage on them. However, I doubt we'll see them go further.

      7k miles with buckets. $79,000.

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    7. 02-13-2020 04:21 AM #7
      How many were built total and how many percentage wise have been totaled?

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      02-13-2020 04:28 AM #8
      I think you can already get the 981 Spyder for less than $70k so the value of 981 GT4 is going to trend down for the next few years while the 718 GT4 is the shiny new toy.

      But long term, hard to imagine these cars will continue to depreciate down to less than 2/3 of MSRP like regular S and GTS versions.

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      02-13-2020 11:55 AM #9
      These things have already come way down in price.

      There was a gorgeous gray one (no bucket seats) at my local dealer that they listed for sale last year at $102k

      As of January it was down to $94k

      I last saw it at $87k, and they either traded it, auctioned it, or finally sold it, because it's no longer on their site.

      My guess (as has been said) is that a nice, moderate miles, standard seat model will end up in the $70-80k range, with higher mileage (50k+) "driver" cars down in the $60's, and bucket seat pristine models still fetching closer to $100k. That's my guess.

      I really want to buy one, but I love the convertible top on my Boxster. My next car will likely be a Boxster Spyder.
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    10. 02-13-2020 01:47 PM #10
      Seen a few in the 80s now.
      Remember this car was traded over sticker for about 18 months when it launched. Many paid 120+ to have it, so sitting at 80k now, someone lost a nice chunk of change.
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      02-13-2020 01:54 PM #11
      981 GT4 values will drop down to at least the 60s over time. Higher mileage cars will likely end up in the 50s. It'll end up being the cheapest GT series car that money can buy.

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      02-13-2020 02:53 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Fined View Post
      981 GT4 values will drop down to at least the 60s over time. Higher mileage cars will likely end up in the 50s. It'll end up being the cheapest GT series car that money can buy.
      I think so to. All these modern cars unless it's a truly special GT models or rare limited editions are going to come down.

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      02-13-2020 03:23 PM #13
      I also think they'll bottom in the high 60's, low 70's range. I think 991 and newer GT3's will continue depreciating quicker than 997 and 996 GT3's, and bottom in the 80-90k range.

      Comes down to production numbers.

      996.1 GT3 - 1,868
      996.2 GT3 - 2,313
      996.2 GT3 RS - 682
      Total 996 - 4,863

      997.1 GT3 - 2,378
      997.1 GT3 RS - 1,106
      997.2 GT3 - 2,256
      997.2 GT3 RS - 2,000
      997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 - 600
      Total 997 - 8,340

      991.1 GT3 - 6,300
      991.1 GT3 RS - 4,500
      991.2 GT3 - 9,500
      991.2 GT3 RS - 4,880
      Total 991 - 25,180

      981 GT4 production numbers are hard to find, but I think they sold 2,400 units in the US alone, so probably at least double that for global production. If the jump from 991.1 to .2 GT3 sales are any indication, I would bet that we see at least a 40-50% increase in 718 GT4 sales.

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      02-13-2020 04:04 PM #14
      One thing is for sure - These cars really snap necks.

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      02-13-2020 04:05 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      One thing is for sure - These cars really snap necks.
      Because of acceleration or because they look great?

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      02-13-2020 04:11 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by iliveoncaffiene View Post
      One thing that I didn't see mentioned:
      The 981 GT4 / Spyder have a much angrier sounding exhaust compared to the 718 GT4/Spyder. This has to do with a combination of new emissions equipment / sound restrictions.

      I do think they will go down with the 718 release, but not significantly.

      Yea the particulate filter. But I’m sure any aftermarket exhaust can fix that.

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      02-13-2020 04:17 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      Yea the particulate filter. But I’m sure any aftermarket exhaust can fix that.
      Well you're not removing OPF without a tune, and I would imagine resale tanks when there is a tune on a Porsche GT product.

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      02-13-2020 04:46 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      Well you're not removing OPF without a tune, and I would imagine resale tanks when there is a tune on a Porsche GT product.
      How so? It's part of the exhaust system, no?

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      02-13-2020 04:52 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      How so? It's part of the exhaust system, no?
      I guess he's saying that they go hand in hand(?) - removing the OPF changes the backpressure on the exhaust, and therefore your ECU may throw a code or not "run right" by just removing it.
      That being said, there's already a system out there in the UK that replaces the whole exhaust after the OPF (which still includes a huge rear silencer) and makes a world of difference: https://www.jcr-developments.com/por...egaphone-tips)
      No tune required.

      Upgraded vs. Stock Comparison (Courtesy of JCR Porsche):


      Again, the bottom half of the image is after the OPF. It's an additional silencer on the rear of the 718 4.0L engine.

      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      718 GT4 will have more displacement, rarer engine, and better steering rack. 981 will have slightly better sound and more limited production.
      Not sure I agree with the "rarer engine". They are using the same engine in the "standard series" 718 GTS 4.0 - same torque, minus 20hp (probably just an ECU tweak).

      The big upgrade is actually in the 718 Spyder vs. 981 Spyder - as the 718 now uses the exact same suspension as the new GT4, + a large increase in downforce (both of which were not the case on the 981).
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      02-13-2020 04:59 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      How so? It's part of the exhaust system, no?
      Yes it is, but it's more complicated than that. Anything upstream of O2 sensors (and there are probably pressure differential sensors on OPF's as well) you can't just remove. Go cut the cats out of your Stelvio, replace them with plain pipes and let me know what happens.

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      02-13-2020 05:00 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      Yes it is, but it's more complicated than that. Anything upstream of O2 sensors (and there are probably pressure differential sensors on OPF's as well) you can't just remove. Go cut the cats out of your Stelvio, replace them with plain pipes and let me know what happens.
      but what if it already has a CEL

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      02-14-2020 08:45 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      Well you're not removing OPF without a tune, and I would imagine resale tanks when there is a tune on a Porsche GT product.
      No, we (the customer) are not but the factory is. The US will not have the same exhaust as europe, IIRC. The reviews I've seen of this car have stated as much anyway.

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      02-14-2020 09:48 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      No, we (the customer) are not but the factory is. The US will not have the same exhaust as europe, IIRC. The reviews I've seen of this car have stated as much anyway.

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      Correct, the North American GT4, Spyder, and GTS will be significantly louder than the European versions. I couldn't find any sound clips online on NA versions of the car yet though.

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      02-14-2020 09:48 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Harv View Post
      They are going to keep dropping now that the 718 GT4 is almost here. Once everyone trades theirs in, they'll get into the 60s for cars with track mileage on them. However, I doubt we'll see them go further.

      7k miles with buckets. $79,000.

      https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...cayman-gt4-42/

      If the economy stays strong and lots of people buy the 4.0 718 then the 981s will drop a good bit more. Sweet spot will be 8-10 years hitting bottom of market like most Porsches.


      Quote Originally Posted by Fined View Post
      981 GT4 values will drop down to at least the 60s over time. Higher mileage cars will likely end up in the 50s. It'll end up being the cheapest GT series car that money can buy.
      Quote Originally Posted by masa8888 View Post
      I also think they'll bottom in the high 60's, low 70's range. I think 991 and newer GT3's will continue depreciating quicker than 997 and 996 GT3's, and bottom in the 80-90k range.

      Comes down to production numbers.

      996.1 GT3 - 1,868
      996.2 GT3 - 2,313
      996.2 GT3 RS - 682
      Total 996 - 4,863

      997.1 GT3 - 2,378
      997.1 GT3 RS - 1,106
      997.2 GT3 - 2,256
      997.2 GT3 RS - 2,000
      997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 - 600
      Total 997 - 8,340

      991.1 GT3 - 6,300
      991.1 GT3 RS - 4,500
      991.2 GT3 - 9,500
      991.2 GT3 RS - 4,880
      Total 991 - 25,180

      981 GT4 production numbers are hard to find, but I think they sold 2,400 units in the US alone, so probably at least double that for global production. If the jump from 991.1 to .2 GT3 sales are any indication, I would bet that we see at least a 40-50% increase in 718 GT4 sales.

      There big thing that is quickly pushing down the prices is the numbers of the 991's, the 997 GT3's were creeping up and up with the 991.1 only PDK, when they brought back the manual and the GT4 that has pushed prices down considerably over the past two years. Cars that use to sell for close to MSRP at ten years old are now back into the 70's. 997 GT3RS's are down about 20% as many are jumping into new tech.

      Same thing happens with Turbos, with the 997tt's now taking more hits as guys sell them to get into 991's with the 992's incoming. 996tt's are creeping up in value but there are still a lot of cars out there that need maintenance done, this is where lots of guys throw in the towel and move on. The same applies to the GT4's, the natural progression for most owners of GT4's is into a GT3. A lot of older 996 GT3 guys jump up to the GT4's or 997's. Around 1000 996 GT3's were made for USA, they still are easy to find and hold around the 45-75k range depending on mile and abuse.

      Personal observation is the GT market got way hot in 2015-2018, last year it cooled a bit and will do so more going into an election. There are a lot of Porsches for sale at the moment from lots of people that continue to buy new ones, which is good for many of us that buy used ones to get into the brand. However it has a feeling about it that many are liquidating cars and moving money into other things as the hype is dying down a bit.


      Just my $.02

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      02-14-2020 10:03 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      No, we (the customer) are not but the factory is. The US will not have the same exhaust as europe, IIRC. The reviews I've seen of this car have stated as much anyway.

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      Quote Originally Posted by masa8888 View Post
      Correct, the North American GT4, Spyder, and GTS will be significantly louder than the European versions. I couldn't find any sound clips online on NA versions of the car yet though.
      I've been closely following things with the GT4/Spyder and this is actually thought to be false.
      There are some markets already that have the same emissions cars as the US, and the OPF is still included (physically).

      The main difference is actually in the surface coating inside of the OPF.
      The EU cars have a special coating which scrubs the exhaust, whereas the US cars will not have that coating on the OPF, rendering it inert emissions-wise - but still affecting the exhaust sound the same way.
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