VW only has the engines that they have, so when they had to scrap a TDI option and needed to have a cheap regular fuel option, the B-cycle made sense. The decision worked. That's great if Honda or Subaru can get better fuel economy out of a smaller car with a more flinty ride. Good for them.
The GTI and GLI phrases are one of kind and have meaning. So they cannot use them with other model, IMO. For example, Grand Luxe Injected is because Jetta trims in the 80’s were G, GL and GLX. They decided to create a sporty version and added a turbo; hence, the phrase GLI! I think VW has used GT many times before on Jetta’s, Golf’s and the Passat. I think they should do a permanent GT trim for all other models like the Passat, Tiguan, Atlas and Arteon. Make it a proper sports version with everything a GTI/GLI get. Leaving room for an R if deemed appropriate.
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RIP: 1989 Mercury Tracer 5 speed 3 dr hatchback, 1995 VW Jetta GL 6 speed, 1997 Jetta GLS 5 Speed, 1999 Ford Escort Wagon, 1998 Mercury Sable Wagon, 2011 Audi A4, 2012 Ford Focus SEL, 2013 Jetta 2.5 SEL w/ Navigation, Twin Reflex Silver Metallic 2015 GLI's (SEL & SE)
I agree that GT works, for example potentially for the Arteon 2.0T-state-of-tune Tiguan I suggested earlier.
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Since we're on the topic of badging; VW really needs to make some changes. Purists will hate this idea, but if I were in product planning there, I would leverage the GTI badge:
[Model] (replaces S, and then this cascades down to the other trims with SEL replacing SEL-P)
[Model] GT* - replaces R-Line, appearance package
[Model] GTI** - true performance trim level
[Model] GTI-R*** - replaces R models
4motion - any model with AWD (think Golf Sportwagen 4motion SE, or Jetta SE 4motion [do it VW])
Alltrack - any model with 4motion and rugged trim (think Golf Sportwagen Alltrack. Full disclosure: not sure how SUVs fall into this. Atlas for FWD models, Atlas Alltrack for AWD? Need to put more thought into this)
*Sporty looks with standard drivetrain. Perfect for those who want a GTI but can't afford it, or someone that wants sporty looks but no need for extra performance
**Any model with a "performance" drivetrain and exterior enhancements. Can be any model; Golf GTI, Tiguan GTI, Passat GTI, and, most likely to make purists angry, Jetta GTI. Why Jetta? Brand awareness. More people know the GTI label than the GLI label. I had a MKV Jetta GLI for 10+ years; family members and friends (even those who are car buffs) didn't know "GLI" but they did know "Jetta" and "GTI."
***Again, leverage the GTI moniker here; -R designates any AWD high-horsepower model. Golf GTI-R, Jetta GTI-R, Atlas Cross Sport GTI-R.
For SUVs and CUVs, maybe have a trim of GTU? ‘U’ would obviously emphasize utility which people think of when it comes to SUV/CUVs.
I find VW's strategy in North America really paradoxical. One on hand, you've got a lot of consumers who completely loathe over interior build quality and materials, European design and handling, "German quality", things that have been done considerably well at VW for a long time and which undoubtedly most buyers look for, or at the very least appreciate. Their cars sell in okay-ish numbers.
Then VW does a complete 180 and dumbs down basically every car in the line up, offers cars that are just near competitive (Atlas, Tiguan), or complete crap/unimpressive (Passat/Jetta sort of), and they're selling more and more of.
I don't know why VW is so keen on becoming the next Ford or GM in terms of offering the most mundane crap that can come from every other manufacturer. Yeah, I understand they want to make money but at the same time couldn't they have offered something even a little more special? Does everything in America HAVE TO mirror whats sold in China? I don't want a Chinese Jetta, Passat or Atlas, I want a damn reasonably priced European car.
But that doesn't exist in our market anymore
GLI should be retained too.
The rest - makes a certain amount of sense.
2019 Audi A5 - back to the brand after 28 years
2017 Golf Alltrack SEL+Tech - Son #1. In a galaxy far, far away
2014 Dodge Durango Limited AWD - Wife's
2004 Acura TSX - Son #2. The sax-mobile
1967 Chevrolet Corvette - I promise to get this car back on the road in 2018....
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2019 Tiguan SE 4Mo Orange, temporarily stock. 2001 Passat 4Mo wagon, 1.8T/6sp swapped, Konis, coilover sleeves, A6Q H+R Race springs.
2005 Golf GLS, 2.Slow, Auto, GTI suspension, sways.
2001.5 Passat GLX V6, stock. (son#1), 2000 Passat GLS V6 fwd Tip wagon, stock (son#2)
VW is kind of caught in the middle
China wants big cheap bland ****; Europeans sweat the details.... the US teeter totters. Everyone here loves the Euro ****, but when they supersized the Jetta/Passat sales skyrocketed. I'm sure like other Euro brands VWAG is obsessed with market share and sales targets at all costs, so this is what we get.
The company has changed a lot. The old ethos of quirky but brilliant cars like the Beetle + Golf are long gone, replaced by a corporate behemoth being pimped by shareholders, bullied by regulators and set back by its lack of executive media training. What is VWAG trying to accomplish as a company besides survival? Seems like they are trying to please everybody and doing the opposite in the process.
BTW: the 2002, 2001, and 2000 MKIV Jettas were the fifth, sixth, and seventh highest sales volume Jettas at 144k-145k each.
Corrados, Sciroccos, R32s, and even Turbo Beetles has me pining for something in the VW product portfolio to get excited about.