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    1. 02-01-2020 05:08 PM #1
      I'm on my 5th Tundra now and have started to sway a little bit since Toyota is dragging their feet with any kind of innovation to keep up with competition. The GMC AT4 caught my eye. The AT4 in particular. It seems to be leaps and bounds above the Toyota. The only thing I hate is the interior but I can get over that for the technology and power of the 6.2. Anybody have any experience between these two trucks?
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      02-01-2020 06:33 PM #2
      Go Dodge or Ford if you're going to stray from Toyota. Also, cross shop the new Titan if you are not towing >8k lbs and want to stay Japanese. The refreshed 2020's look real sharp.

    4. 02-01-2020 06:36 PM #3
      Quote Originally Posted by fireside View Post
      Go Dodge or Ford if you're going to stray from Toyota. Also, cross shop the new Titan if you are not towing >8k lbs and want to stay Japanese. The refreshed 2020's look real sharp.
      Mind if I ask why to avoid GM?
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    5. 02-01-2020 07:19 PM #4
      Do you want safety systems that were designed in this decade or the last?

      Look at the small overlap crash performance for the Tundra vs anything designed in the last 5 years.

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      02-01-2020 07:43 PM #5
      I’d be looking hard at the 3.0L diesel rather than the 6.2–good torque and excellent mileage.

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      02-01-2020 07:55 PM #6
      How soon do you want a new truck? GMC will have refreshed interiors coming out soon, and it may be worth waiting to see what they look and feel like. The new Tundra is most likely 2 years out, at the earliest.

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      02-01-2020 08:07 PM #7
      The Ford 2.7EB gets really good mileage and has plenty of power. Only problem its only available in short box. Gets similar mileage compared to the Ram ED and is cheaper.

      The Sierra with the 3.0D seems like a good option. The 6.2 would most likely be the most reliable like the 5.0L in the Ford. Not a fan of Ram's.

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      02-01-2020 08:28 PM #8
      As much of a dinosaur as the Tundra is, it's still a top notch 1/2 ton. I have a 2016 5.3 Silverado, and have essentially turned it into a Tundra. I've leveled it, reageared it to 4.10s, and put King 2.5s on all four corners. If I were to do the whole 1/2 ton thing again, I would probably get a Tundra. Sure, the gas mileage is garbage and it's outdated, but as far as TRUCK stuff goes, it's the best. Factory 4.10s, bulletproof 5.7, and factory Bilsteins? Great truck.

      I LOVE Chevy trucks, but the day I trade in my 1500 it won't be for another 1/2 ton. I'm going diesel.

      I used to work with a guy that had a 2012-ish Tundra with 280,000 miles and still towed boats close to 10,000lbs. Damn truck just wouldn't quit. Again, I'm a Chevy guy, but the Tundra is a beast when it comes to actual TRUCK qualities. GM and Ford are getting too wrapped up in tech with their 1/2 tons, but I guess that's where the market has gone. Dads that don't need a truck but want one. So annoying for the rest of us. I still want 3.73s or 4.10s, and a big V8.

      If you're looking for more, skip the 1/2 scene and go 3/4. That's where the big boys play.

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      02-01-2020 08:37 PM #9
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      02-02-2020 07:15 AM #10
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      Shown on the only trail in the US it could actually fit on. The latest F Super Duties are comically large.

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      02-02-2020 07:20 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      Shown on the only trail in the US it could actually fit on. The latest F Super Duties are comically large.
      Totally. We rented a long bed dually crew cab and it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too big for any normal roads. We later rented a few SRW short bed crew cabs and they're still way too big.
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      02-02-2020 08:54 AM #12
      I’d hold off until the new Tundras are out. I can’t imagine they are too far off, potentially as 2021 models. I’d bet on them with TT V-6 and rear coil springs.

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      02-02-2020 09:30 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by VeeDub_L_U View Post
      Mind if I ask why to avoid GM?
      They went full lazy on this gen of trucks. After having a RAM rental I wouldn't step into another dealership right now for a truck. Every truck shopper owes it to themselves to check out RAM.
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      02-02-2020 11:48 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Mikepea View Post
      I’d hold off until the new Tundras are out. I can’t imagine they are too far off, potentially as 2021 models. I’d bet on them with TT V-6 and rear coil springs.
      That's what it's looking like, with available air spring assist.
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      02-02-2020 01:06 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by TooFitToQuit View Post
      Totally. We rented a long bed dually crew cab and it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too big for any normal roads. We later rented a few SRW short bed crew cabs and they're still way too big.
      Here sometimes they can't make turns into parking lots -- they'll come forward expecting you to back up like you might do to help a semi truck get through a tight intersection. Lol, no.
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    17. 02-02-2020 04:58 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      Shown on the only trail in the US it could actually fit on. The latest F Super Duties are comically large.
      Cn be made even more large

    18. 02-02-2020 06:07 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by El Ex View Post
      As much of a dinosaur as the Tundra is, it's still a top notch 1/2 ton. I have a 2016 5.3 Silverado, and have essentially turned it into a Tundra. I've leveled it, reageared it to 4.10s, and put King 2.5s on all four corners. If I were to do the whole 1/2 ton thing again, I would probably get a Tundra. Sure, the gas mileage is garbage and it's outdated, but as far as TRUCK stuff goes, it's the best. Factory 4.10s, bulletproof 5.7, and factory Bilsteins? Great truck.
      4.30's

      And yes it is great as a brute truck. I used to have a 3500 Cummins and while great for towing it was just too much for daily use. I liked going back to a more comfy ride and less hassle of the gas motor. A half ton does what I need it to do, which is tow my 22' enclosed trailer. I have a 2011 Chevy Dually LTZ Duramax for long hauls with the trailer. I prefer using my truck for in town. Much more manoeuvrable and with this GMC I'll have 10 000 cameras to help. I have to research what the AT4 comes with for rear end gears.
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      02-02-2020 08:59 PM #18
      i saw going to say no way for GM truck because there is one i just saw is SO UGLY.... but GMC Sierra still look ok


      This one is like WTF!!


      I know it is just a work truck but still don't want to brand as "the guy who drive the ugly truck"
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      02-02-2020 11:36 PM #19
      Might I suggest a new Ram 1500. They've totally leapfrogged the competition and you can get a decently equipped one for $42k.



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    21. 02-06-2020 05:19 PM #20
      I pulled the trigger on a black AT4 6.2 with sunroof and 20" wheels with duratracs. Hopefully get it shortly after the weekend!
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      02-06-2020 07:25 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by VeeDub_L_U View Post
      I pulled the trigger on a black AT4 6.2 with sunroof and 20" wheels with duratracs. Hopefully get it shortly after the weekend!
      Hell yeah!!

    23. 02-07-2020 03:22 PM #22
      I'm looking forward to it after watching about a thousand reviews on youtube
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      02-12-2020 05:49 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      Shown on the only trail in the US it could actually fit on. The latest F Super Duties are comically large.
      Old man has one and it makes my 8ft bed double cab 2500 feel small and nimble. His plow truck is a 140k mile 2010 Tundra with the TRD supercharger on it, easy to drive, tough as nails and it fits in a reasonable parking spot.

      Quote Originally Posted by VeeDub_L_U View Post
      I pulled the trigger on a black AT4 6.2 with sunroof and 20" wheels with duratracs. Hopefully get it shortly after the weekend!
      Interested to hear how you like it. About to start shopping to replace my tired 02 2500hd, been leaning towards the last of the old school gasser 2020 Tundras as they have proven to take a hell of a beating for a work truck. Mostly use it for plowing and towing, not sure if I want to justify jumping all the way up to a diesel 1/2 ton.

      The big thing I am a fan of is having a B-Pillar but not needing a full crew cab which means Fords are off the list and the ability to mount a v-plow.

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      02-12-2020 06:32 PM #24
      AT4 w/ 6.2L all day, every day.

      That motor is tits.

      I recently drove a 1500 AT4 6.2L. I'd be obligated to at least sit in a new RAM, but the stigma associated with them would probably sway me away. I would however consider an F150.
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      02-13-2020 08:35 AM #25
      If you care about resale value, stick with Toyota. The Tacoma and Tundra are at the top of the list each year. My 2019 has all the tech I need in a truck and the reliability speaks for itself.



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