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    1. 06-03-2020 03:15 PM #10876
      Quote Originally Posted by Surf Green View Post
      I know that you're just a bot that gets a key-word hit and copy-pastas the link/article without actually reading it, but the myopic focus on only the daily case gain without other contextual data is purposefully disingenuous.
      Testing shows that the positive to negative ratio has been pretty steady over the last 6 weeks in FL. If you can believe the website that Govenor DeSantis fired the scientist over.

      beep beep, boop boop.

      Quote Originally Posted by zukiphile View Post
      In other words, it was worse six weeks ago than now. Outstanding.
      The article title says FL had the biggest daily gain in 6 weeks. Was that not true?
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      06-03-2020 03:28 PM #10877
      Quote Originally Posted by zukiphile View Post
      In other words, it was worse six weeks ago than now. Outstanding.

      sssshhh. let math not distract people.
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    4. 06-03-2020 04:37 PM #10878
      Quote Originally Posted by Surf Green View Post
      I know that you're just a bot that gets a key-word hit and copy-pastas the link/article without actually reading it, but the myopic focus on only the daily case gain without other contextual data is purposefully disingenuous.
      It's possible that they are seeing decrease in positivity of cases with time as the number of tests goes up, but with respect to the actual number of cases - although with a delay! - the number of deaths is not really going down. There is a lot of day-to-day fluctuation, but the trend seems to be holding steady. It would be better if it were actually going down ...

      272 deaths in the last week, 207 in the week before that, 270 the week before that www.worldometers.info

      That's not really indicating any progress.

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      06-03-2020 07:38 PM #10879
      It is going to be hard to get any type of accurate accounting of how we are doing, since testing sites are shut down in most big cities nationwide.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncn...www.google.com

      I am morbidly curious to see what the masses of humanity in close quarters is going to do?

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      06-03-2020 07:40 PM #10880
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      Florida coronavirus cases surge past 58,700, the biggest daily gain in six weeks

      I thought someone yesterday said this was over. And in such a Republican state too.
      oooftaa, and the most cases added was in my county too.....time to head to the keys for a little while lol
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      06-03-2020 07:46 PM #10881
      Hey guys guess Whaaaaaaatt It's Ebola season!!!

      https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...g-the-response
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      06-03-2020 08:27 PM #10882
      Quote Originally Posted by vwbrvr6 View Post
      Hey guys guess Whaaaaaaatt It's Ebola season!!!

      https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...g-the-response
      Ebola: "Hey CV-19 - hold my beer."

    9. 06-03-2020 08:58 PM #10883
      Quote Originally Posted by vwbrvr6 View Post
      Hey guys guess Whaaaaaaatt It's Ebola season!!!

      https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...g-the-response
      Meh. Trump pulled the USA out of the WHO. So Ebola can't come here.
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      06-03-2020 09:11 PM #10884
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      Meh. Trump pulled the USA out of the WHO. So Ebola can't come here.
      Even if they did, it would only be a few cases. Then it would disappear. Just like a miracle. But we'd be ready for it. The most readiliness. We'd have the bestest response. We'd dominate it.
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      06-03-2020 09:13 PM #10885
      Been lurking here with popcorn lately, lotsa popcorn.

      Locally, our numbers are staying somewhat low compared to a few weeks ago/last posts. We've been getting several dozen positive patients from SD/El Centro in the area. Ex-pats fleeing MX d/t an overcrowded system, etc., there.

      Of our 3 that have survived mechanical ventilation and been discharged home, we've had our first leave with no neurological deficit, no coagulopathy like we'd seen in the others. Also, no weird scabbing like all of the others. We've had others survive that didn't need the vent and they've overall faired better as far as lingering symptoms.

      Those of you with loved ones also in healthcare, how are they holding up? I thank them and know some of what they/we are going through and I thank you for supporting them however it is you are. I've been fortunate to schedule my night shifts such that I get chunks of days off to hole up at home. Spent a few days away from it all at a family house in the Sierra and that was so good. 100% disconnected from phone, media, news, all of it. And now we have a sorta distanced protest crowd on our street. Yay. Anyway, be well.
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      06-03-2020 09:19 PM #10886
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      I am morbidly curious to see what the masses of humanity in close quarters is going to do?
      Spread the disease far and wide and fast. The worst part is that the big high density cities are the ones with the most cases and that's where the most assemblies are. So basically the people who are most likely to be carrying the disease are the ones most likely to be in attendance of high density public assemblies that involve a lot of sweating, shouting, and inadvertent spitting. Aside from rock concert mosh pits, there's almost nothing you could even engineer to spread the disease more rapidly than large, high-churn (no assigned seats, everyone constantly milling about) public assemblies. This is maximum distribution of the virus conditions. Even regular sports arenas at least everyone has an assigned seat to sit and stay in. This is the opposite. It's literally maximum infection.

    13. 06-03-2020 09:40 PM #10887
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      It is going to be hard to get any type of accurate accounting of how we are doing, since testing sites are shut down in most big cities nationwide.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncn...www.google.com

      I am morbidly curious to see what the masses of humanity in close quarters is going to do?

      The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if a certain person isn't actually working to encourage more rioting and protesting of mainly democratic supporters to even the odds since he was losing so many of his elderly supporters to coronavirus. I can't name any names though.

      And what kind of a cruel person would do such a thing?
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      06-03-2020 09:45 PM #10888
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if a certain person isn't actually working to encourage more rioting and protesting of mainly democratic supporters to even the odds since he was losing so many of his elderly supporters to coronavirus. I can't name any names though.

      And what kind of a cruel person would do such a thing?
      Pence.
      Trump is incapable of thinking that through.
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      06-03-2020 10:10 PM #10889
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      Pence.
      Trump is incapable of thinking that through.
      Nah.

      It'd definitely be Barr.
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      06-03-2020 10:13 PM #10890
      Quote Originally Posted by turbinepowered View Post
      Nah.

      It'd definitely be Barr.
      Or Jared.
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      06-03-2020 11:01 PM #10891
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if a certain person isn't actually working to encourage more rioting and protesting of mainly democratic supporters to even the odds since he was losing so many of his elderly supporters to coronavirus. I can't name any names though.

      And what kind of a cruel person would do such a thing?
      As has been pointed out repeatedly, COVID-19 kills old people, and old people vote Trump. It's literally a Trump-killing disease. The mortality rate is next to nothing for people under 55 and the younger you are, the less likely it is to harm you, and young people vote overwhelmingly Democratic. COVID-19 being created by the CIA to kill Democrats is the latest of your crackpot conspiracy theories that you hate to admit in public that you actually believe.

    18. 06-03-2020 11:27 PM #10892
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      As has been pointed out repeatedly, COVID-19 kills old people, and old people vote Trump. It's literally a Trump-killing disease. The mortality rate is next to nothing for people under 55 and the younger you are, the less likely it is to harm you, and young people vote overwhelmingly Democratic. COVID-19 being created by the CIA to kill Democrats is the latest of your crackpot conspiracy theories that you hate to admit in public that you actually believe.
      The fact that it is less likely to kill younger people is a flaw in the theory. However, isn't the virus having a larger effect on African-Americans, Latinos and Native Americans?*** Perhaps that will make up for the lower death rates in younger people. Hey, it's just a wacky conspiracy theory. But less wacky than some of the other ones floating around on the internet.

      And I am not claiming anyone specifically created the virus to kill Democrats. Just the theory that by inciting further protests in what is more likely to be a Democratic crowd they thereby even the odds.

      Call it the Stephen Miller Theory.


      *** Black Americans dying of Covid-19 at three times the rate of white people
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      06-04-2020 06:04 AM #10893
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      As has been pointed out repeatedly, COVID-19 kills old people, and old people vote Trump. It's literally a Trump-killing disease. The mortality rate is next to nothing for people under 55 and the younger you are, the less likely it is to harm you, and young people vote overwhelmingly Democratic. COVID-19 being created by the CIA to kill Democrats is the latest of your crackpot conspiracy theories that you hate to admit in public that you actually believe.
      The fact that it is less likely to kill younger people is a flaw in the theory. However, isn't the virus having a larger effect on African-Americans, Latinos and Native Americans?*** Perhaps that will make up for the lower death rates in younger people. Hey, it's just a wacky conspiracy theory. But less wacky than some of the other ones floating around on the internet. <img src="https://www.vwvortex.com/Anthony/Smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />

      And I am not claiming anyone specifically created the virus to kill Democrats. Just the theory that by inciting further protests in what is more likely to be a Democratic crowd they thereby even the odds.

      Call it the Stephen Miller Theory.


      *** Black Americans dying of Covid-19 at three times the rate of white people
      The disease kills the least healthy people. The mortality rate if it gets into a nursing home is ~20%. The mortality rate if an older overweight diabetic gets it is about 5%. Same for older smokers. Poor and minority populations have more of that than more affluent groups. It will kill lots of older white trash in trailer parks.

    20. 06-04-2020 07:52 AM #10894
      Quote Originally Posted by GeoffD View Post
      The disease kills the least healthy people. The mortality rate if it gets into a nursing home is ~20%. The mortality rate if an older overweight diabetic gets it is about 5%. Same for older smokers. Poor and minority populations have more of that than more affluent groups. It will kill lots of older white trash in trailer parks.
      Please, return the conversation to conspiracies about trying to kill young angry liberals who have rapidly abandoned social distancing after two weeks ago railing against others for doing the same.

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      06-04-2020 08:05 AM #10895
      Vermont update...

      VT reported 2 additional cases yesterday, bringing its total to 990, with 879 people recovered (no change). No one with a confirmed case is hospitalized, and deaths remain at 55. One of those new cases is in Windsor County, bringing its total to 52. Orange County remains at 9. The state added 576 tests; it's now done 37,195 altogether. —DaybreakUV


      Guidelines for limited indoor restaurant dining expected Friday
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      Diners enjoy a meal at Sweetwaters restaurant on Church Street in Burlington in May 22. Photo by Glenn Russell/VTDigger

      Vermont Gov. Phil Scott expects to lift some of the restrictions on indoor restaurant dining on Friday. Despite a recent outbreak of Covid-19 in Winooski, statewide infection rates in Vermont are low enough to continue opening the state for business, he said.

      The governor will also announce Friday some measures to allow out of state travel to Vermont, including lifting a quarantine requirement now in place for anyone planning to visit the state for more than a day.

      Increased testing this week prompted by the discovery of a cluster of the virus in Winooski has revealed another 10 to 20 cases in that city. (continues) https://vtdigger.org/2020/06/03/guid...pected-friday/

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      06-04-2020 08:05 AM #10896
      Wait... wut?

      I guess WHO is trying to get the US contributions back in their coffers?

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...afety-concerns
      Quote Originally Posted by WHO to resume hydroxychloroquine trial after earlier halt over safety concerns

      The World Health Organization will resume clinical trials of an anti-malaria drug researchers hope may treat Covid-19, after a study of the drug published in May by a major medical journal prompted them to halt trials due to safety concerns.

      The paper, published in the Lancet, said hydroxychloroquine was associated with higher mortality rates and higher rates of heart problems in Covid-19 patients in hospitals around the world. The finding prompted the World Health Organization’s director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, to announce the hydroxychloroquine arm of its Solidarity global clinical trial would pause while the study and other findings were reviewed.

      But serious questions about the study were raised by scientists around the world and by the Guardian, with data discrepancies highlighted and questions raised about how the study collected data from 96,000 patients across hundreds of hospitals. Major hospitals denied being connected with the database , which is managed by a company called Surgisphere. The chief executive of the company, Dr Sapan Desai, is also co-author of the Lancet paper.

      On Wednesday the Lancet published an expression of concern about the paper, and and said the co-authors of the study who were not from Surgisphere had commissioned an independent audit into the provenance and veracity of the data. A Lancet spokeswoman said: “All research articles published in the Lancet journals undergo independent, external peer review, including statistical review.”

      A Guardian investigation published on Thursday revealed serious flaws in the database and raised questions about claims made by Desai about how it works. On Twitter the editor of the Lancet, Richard Horton, described it as “an important investigation”. On Friday, Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the World Health Organization had reviewed the Lancet study and other findings about hydroxychloroquine and had determined it was safe for its trials to continue.

      “The executive group received this recommendation and endorsed the continuation of all arms of Solidarity trial including hydroxychloroquine,” he said. The World Health Organization emphasised there is still no evidence hydroxychloroquine, or any drug, is effective in treating or preventing Covid-19. Infectious diseases experts have repeatedly emphasised the need for strong studies before treatment decisions are made.

      Hydroxychloroquine trials around the world were halted due to the Lancet paper, including the Australasian Covid-19 trial (Ascot) trial. On Thursday the Ascot principal investigator, associate professor Steven Tong, said the governance committees for the trial recommended that it now continue.
      “The trial steering committee for Ascot strongly supports the ongoing need for data from randomised clinical trials in order to clarify the efficacy and safety of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalised with Covid-19,” he said.

      “Randomised controlled trials are considered the ‘gold standard’ when it comes to testing treatments in humans as they remove any bias, therefore providing the robust evidence that’s required to make safe and informed decisions about the ongoing use of a treatment.”

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      06-04-2020 08:40 AM #10897
      Quote Originally Posted by OttaCee View Post
      Do you think there will be contact tracing for the case?
      Per CDC, they are supposed to check for anyone with Close Contact - Someone who was closer than 6 feet of an infected person for at least 15 minutes starting from 2 days before illness onset (or, for asymptomatic patients, 2 days prior to specimen collection) until the time the patient is isolated.
      She clarified that his job site has had cases,she's not sure if he has tested positive, and there was more space between them than I thought. She's going to follow up w him anyways just to be safe.
      signatures are annoying, right?

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      06-04-2020 09:51 AM #10898
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      She clarified that his job site has had cases,she's not sure if he has tested positive, and there was more space between them than I thought. She's going to follow up w him anyways just to be safe.
      Hope everything works out. All this contact tracing on active cases are going to be a challenge.
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      06-04-2020 10:34 AM #10899
      Quote Originally Posted by bave View Post
      Please, return the conversation to conspiracies about trying to kill young angry liberals who have rapidly abandoned social distancing after two weeks ago railing against others for doing the same.
      There’s probably a bunker you should be inspecting.

    26. 06-04-2020 10:53 AM #10900
      Quote Originally Posted by bave View Post
      Please, return the conversation to conspiracies about trying to kill young angry liberals who have rapidly abandoned social distancing after two weeks ago railing against others for doing the same.
      Protesting a danger that is directly in front of their face and can cause their immediate harm or death versus a danger that is unseen to them and seems to be less likely to harm them.

      I'll admit that the Stephen Miller Theory to even the odds for Trump is a crazy one. But look at all the other crazy sh!t they have pulled over the last 3 years. Even "Mad Dog" Mattis can now see the harm being done to the United States.
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