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    1. Member HBird's Avatar
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      01-16-2020 08:11 AM #26
      Wow this is a pretty nice surprise. If I was in the market I'd still be torn between this and a 991.2 T. I love this because of the lower entry price N/A engine, but the T has immense tuning potential because of the turbos...

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      01-16-2020 08:26 AM #27
      This is fantastic news. Good job Porsche!!!
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      01-16-2020 08:35 AM #28
      Nice. Just sucks for the 4-cyl. GTS owners, their investments just lost a lot of value.

      Also, the 718 moniker doesn't make sense here. They introduced it when the Cayman/Boxster dropped two cylinders. There was that 718 race car back in the '60s which was also a 4-cylinder, so the 718 model name was given to the Boxster/Cayman to say "hey look, we've had racecars that were 4-cyl. boxers". But now some 718's are 6-cylinders.

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      01-16-2020 08:39 AM #29
      Now if Porsche really wants to be cool, they de-bore/de-stroke this thing and pop it in the 718-T models.

      Quote Originally Posted by Son View Post
      Nice. Just sucks for the 4-cyl. GTS owners, their investments just lost a lot of value.

      Also, the 718 moniker doesn't make sense here. They introduced it when the Cayman/Boxster dropped two cylinders. There was that 718 race car back in the '60s which was also a 4-cylinder, so the 718 model name was given to the Boxster/Cayman to say "hey look, we've had racecars that were 4-cyl. boxers". But now some 718's are 6-cylinders.
      I'm telling ya man, 718-6 and 718 GT4.

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      01-16-2020 08:45 AM #30
      Saw this on my FB feed last night, and it's basically the best news since the start of the new year.

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      01-16-2020 08:49 AM #31
      Wow, awesome news. Apparently I haven't been paying attention, but I did not see this coming. Can't wait to buy one used someday


      Quote Originally Posted by CostcoPizza View Post
      I'm telling ya man, 718-6 .
      Yeah, this naming scheme would have been cool.

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      01-16-2020 08:57 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      Nice! Now do this with a 911. A high revving naturally aspirated engine with back seats. Do it.
      What the Carrera T should be...

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      01-16-2020 09:44 AM #33
      This may do well to help place me into a used 718 in a years time...4 banger turbo be damned, I just want nimble, nice, put together and less than an arm and a leg.
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    10. 01-16-2020 09:53 AM #34
      Porsche knows the Subaru engine ruined the 718. They've admitted as much. This 4.0 is their apology for the former 718 GTS.

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      01-16-2020 09:59 AM #35
      I never had issue with the 4-cyl GTS on the track, but the 4.0 will sound ever better, so that works.
      Then again I have/had 4-cyl flat engines so I don't mine the soundtrack of the flat turbo 4.

      Plus ecconomies of scale work for maximizing the return on the new 4.0....everyone wins
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      01-16-2020 10:00 AM #36
      I'm enjoying every minute behind the wheel of my ruined 718.

      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
      Porsche knows the Subaru engine ruined the 718. They've admitted as much. This 4.0 is their apology for the former 718 GTS.
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      01-16-2020 10:05 AM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Porsche
      The 718 GTS 4.0 models adopt the twin tailpipe sports exhaust system with integrated gasoline particulate filter from the 718 Spyder and 718 Cayman GT4.
      been hearing we would start seeing GPF's on direct injection gasoline cars for a while now. is this one of the first models are there more currently on the market?

      it doesn't appear these require an active regen cycle like a diesel particulate filter, but interesting nonetheless.
      welcome to the layer cake

    14. 01-16-2020 10:12 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
      Porsche knows the Subaru engine ruined the 718. They've admitted as much. This 4.0 is their apology for the former 718 GTS.
      Hyperbole much?

      I'm obviously biased as an owner of a 718, but the turbo 4 absolutely didnt' "ruin" the car. The only thing that isn't better about the 718 over the flat 6 981 is the engine sound. Every model of the 718 is faster, and has better/bigger brakes than the predecessor model. For a turbo car the power delivery is even fairly novel; you're not getting that 1800rpm torque plateau you get in a GTI or any other 2.0L turbo 4. These motors pull to 7500 rpm (well, at least the base car and the GTS do...the S does fall off at bit up top).

      I also strongly doubt that resale on the turbo 4 cars will be impacted much by the addition of the GTS 4.0. We're talking about totally different buyers and price ranges. a 2017 base 718 is at best a mid-$50K car, whereas a mildly optioned GTS 4.0 will likely be around $80K. They're not even in the same ballpark and I don't foresee a bunch of cross shopping between the two. (It also isn't as if 2016 Cayman/Boxsters sell for a premium over 2017s.) Maybe someone trying to dump a used 2019 GTS after the GTS 4.0 rolls out is going to feel some pain, but otherwise I see this being like any other new model/trim rollout.

      That said, I definitely want a GTS 4.0

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      01-16-2020 10:12 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by n0rdicalex. View Post
      been hearing we would start seeing GPF's on direct injection gasoline cars for a while now. is this one of the first models are there more currently on the market?

      it doesn't appear these require an active regen cycle like a diesel particulate filter, but interesting nonetheless.
      The 991 Speedster has the GPF, that was Porsche's first. Not sure of the first car industry-wide to feature it.

    16. 01-16-2020 10:13 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by rich! View Post
      What the Carrera T should be...
      Fingers crossed . . .

    17. 01-16-2020 10:15 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by zerind View Post
      I'm enjoying every minute behind the wheel of my ruined 718.
      Great addition to the JL. As always, your automobile selection is on point.

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      01-16-2020 10:20 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by n0rdicalex. View Post
      been hearing we would start seeing GPF's on direct injection gasoline cars for a while now. is this one of the first models are there more currently on the market?

      it doesn't appear these require an active regen cycle like a diesel particulate filter, but interesting nonetheless.
      991 Speedster, and all 992/GT4/Spyders have them in Europe.
      I believe(?) they have an inert replacement for cars in the US that doesn't actually change emissions, but simulates backpressure.
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      01-16-2020 10:25 AM #43
      Thanks, Rob! I found this one for a steal last month. Couldn't pass it up.

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      01-16-2020 10:29 AM #44
      Wow.

      911 who?
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      01-16-2020 10:29 AM #45
      Yes please. I'll take one of these in 3 years used.

    22. 01-16-2020 10:33 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by zerind View Post
      I'm enjoying every minute behind the wheel of my ruined 718.

    23. 01-16-2020 10:36 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by jmlmr2 View Post
      I also strongly doubt that resale on the turbo 4 cars will be impacted much by the addition of the GTS 4.0.


      It's going to DESTROY the resale of the current turbo 4 GTS.

    24. 01-16-2020 10:38 AM #48
      This car really makes me wish I didn't have 2 beautiful kids and a beautiful house.

      My priorities are totally out of whack. I need to cash in my entire TFSA account (Canadian thing) and get this car.

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      01-16-2020 10:40 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
      This car really makes me wish I didn't have 2 beautiful kids and a beautiful house.

      My priorities are totally out of whack. I need to cash in my entire TFSA account (Canadian thing) and get this car.
      Don't you mean roofless garage with some bedrooms attached to it?
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      01-16-2020 10:49 AM #50
      With any luck, it will be the kick in the pants for last model yr 718-6 (2016.5?) owners to sell for the new one!

      And those of us looking for the crappy “old” one will have more offerings.
      Dat 4 banger..... no.

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