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    1. 02-06-2020 12:39 AM #76
      Uh...didn't Luc Donckerwolke design the Bentayga and the GV80? It's not surprising that they favor each other broadly. But I don't really see it in the details.
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    3. 02-06-2020 12:54 AM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      "McDonalds uses a sesame seed bun. Our buns have no seeds"



      It's OK. Ford blatantly ripped off Aston Martin and got away with it. But they did rip them off.

      Are you or are you not employed or contracted to the Hyundai Corporation?

      Your line of reasoning makes little sense.

      It's like basically saying that BK copied the Big Mac w/ the Whopper b/c the Whopper has sesame seeds on the bun, when, as FF burgers go, the Whopper is pretty much entirely different from the Big Mac.

      If the GV80 had circular headlights, a rectangular grille, a rectangular taillight and a non-rising belt-line (or just 2 or 3 of those things), you'd have a point, but it doesn't.

      Even a blind person would be able to tell the difference (by touch).

      You'd have more of a point if you had stated that the GV80 mimicked the Escalade (even tho the only real point of similarity is the shape of the grille, but at least it's something).



      Quote Originally Posted by alexr18 View Post
      Uh...didn't Luc Donckerwolke design the Bentayga and the GV80? It's not surprising that they favor each other broadly. But I don't really see it in the details.
      As head of design, LD oversaw the design work, but didn't actually design the GV80 himself (there were certain parameters/conditions - such as the quad lighting treatment and the crest grille).

      There was a competition among the design studios and the California studio won for the exterior (they also designed the exterior of the Telluride) and the studio in Korea won for the interior.
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    4. 02-06-2020 01:58 AM #78
      Is this the best you can do? lol


      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      Where to begin:
      Large grill with nothing but diamond mesh pattern
      Most lux brands (and even non-lux) use an oversized grille design these days.

      And as previously stated, the mesh pattern has been used by numerous automakers (usually for a sport or performance trim).

      The most telling thing about the grille is the shape (of which, the 2 are different).

      If there is any auto-maker that has a grille most like Bentley's, it's Jag.




      Lincoln would come in 2nd (they did add a nub on the bottom) - was one of the reasons why Donckerwolke and Lee (at the time at Bentley) called out Lincoln for the Conti.


      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      Winged badge on hood
      Doesn't mean they followed Bentley.

      Could be Aston Martin, Chrysler, Mini, Austin Healey, Carrozzeria Touring Superleggera (a coachbuilder), Ford Thunderbird, etc.




      Winged badges are common-place in the automotive industry (as winged badges go, the Genesis one is kinda meh).

      Cadillac jumped on the winged-badge bandwagon for their Blackwing performance line.





      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      Same hood cut line
      LMAO!!

      You know how common place that hood-line is?

      And in all likelihood, some other automaker other than Bentley likely started it (just as BMW didn't originate the Hofmeister kink).

      Both Genesis and Hyundai have used that hood-line in numerous models (funny how you didn't mention that "similarity" before), just a pretty much every auto-maker (BMW for instance).

      Curious that what you totally glossed over was the hood crease - which is totally diff.

      On the Bentley, there is a single crease going down the center of the hood, corresponding w/ the center divider on the grille (OMG, either they are copying MB or Benz has been copying them!).

      Whereas on the GV80, there are 2 creases going down the hood (which is sunk btwn the creases) which cleverly come to an end surrounding the Genesis emblem.



      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      Similar character line flowing away and down from grill into body

      The side character lines are not that similar (only in the broadest sense, which can, again, encompass numerous vehicles).

      Something like this is more similar.





      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      Split headlight design, edges with silver accent
      You're actually trying to make a case of similarity btwn the 2 headlight designs/shapes? LMAO!

      And the GV80's headlights do not a silver accent surround; what you're seeing are the DRLs.



      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      Fender vent
      You know how many models have a fender vent? (And again, likely that Bentley didn't originate it.)

      And the GV80 actually has 2 vents (which coincide w/ the design of the headlights), which incorporate the DRLs/turn signal so that they extend almost to the A-pillar.


      Could go on, but this is a pretty pathetic attempt/pulling at straws.
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      02-06-2020 07:32 AM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by CP1 View Post
      Since when does Bentley use a crest-shaped grille?

      If you had stated Cadillac, it would have been a diff. matter.

      As for the mesh grille treatment, most lux auto-makers have used it one time or another (another popular alternative is the honeycomb treatment) - usually for a sport or performance trim.





      But the biggest user of the mesh-grille treatment (other than Bentley) is Jaguar - so is Jag aping Bentley?

      In actuality, the GV80's grille treatment is not mesh, but a G-matrix pattern which is continued into the DRLs.

      But nonetheless, the GV80's grille and greenhouse are pretty non-descript, but the quad headlight and taillight design is pretty distinctive, not to mention the turn-signal and DRLs being extended all the way to the A-pillar.











      What exactly is distinctive about the MDX?





      Even more so the previous gen...





      W/ the F/L, one can say that it's the shape of the grille, but it's ugly/weird.




      Along the same lines, the previous 3 gens of the RX were pretty non-descript...


      Whenever I saw one of these, the term generic kept popping into my head, but at least it wasn't an eyesore.





      Can't exactly say the same (not being an eyesore) for the current RX.





      But this design isn't as original as one might think.

      Hyundai actually did the spindle grille (on the Nuvis concept) before Lexus adopted it and affixed it across their lineup.

      The floating roof-thing has become an automotive design cliche and the one here is a particularly ugly example.


      The only real distinctive thing about the QX60 is the "kink" in the rear window/D-pillar, which, while distinctive, is not exactly pleasing to the eye (unnecessary busyness added to the lines of a vehicle/design in order for it to stand out in some way).


      There's a lot of bad car design, in this thread.

    6. 02-09-2020 11:27 PM #80
      ^ Unfortunately, that's what usually happens when automakers and/or their designers want their models to stand out in some way.


      This looks more like a Bentley...

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    7. 02-10-2020 12:30 AM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by CP1 View Post
      Is this the best you can do? lol




      Most lux brands (and even non-lux) use an oversized grille design these days.

      And as previously stated, the mesh pattern has been used by numerous automakers (usually for a sport or performance trim).

      The most telling thing about the grille is the shape (of which, the 2 are different).

      If there is any auto-maker that has a grille most like Bentley's, it's Jag.




      Lincoln would come in 2nd (they did add a nub on the bottom) - was one of the reasons why Donckerwolke and Lee (at the time at Bentley) called out Lincoln for the Conti.




      Doesn't mean they followed Bentley.

      Could be Aston Martin, Chrysler, Mini, Austin Healey, Carrozzeria Touring Superleggera (a coachbuilder), Ford Thunderbird, etc.




      Winged badges are common-place in the automotive industry (as winged badges go, the Genesis one is kinda meh).

      Cadillac jumped on the winged-badge bandwagon for their Blackwing performance line.







      LMAO!!

      You know how common place that hood-line is?

      And in all likelihood, some other automaker other than Bentley likely started it (just as BMW didn't originate the Hofmeister kink).

      Both Genesis and Hyundai have used that hood-line in numerous models (funny how you didn't mention that "similarity" before), just a pretty much every auto-maker (BMW for instance).

      Curious that what you totally glossed over was the hood crease - which is totally diff.

      On the Bentley, there is a single crease going down the center of the hood, corresponding w/ the center divider on the grille (OMG, either they are copying MB or Benz has been copying them!).

      Whereas on the GV80, there are 2 creases going down the hood (which is sunk btwn the creases) which cleverly come to an end surrounding the Genesis emblem.






      The side character lines are not that similar (only in the broadest sense, which can, again, encompass numerous vehicles).

      Something like this is more similar.







      You're actually trying to make a case of similarity btwn the 2 headlight designs/shapes? LMAO!

      And the GV80's headlights do not a silver accent surround; what you're seeing are the DRLs.





      You know how many models have a fender vent? (And again, likely that Bentley didn't originate it.)

      And the GV80 actually has 2 vents (which coincide w/ the design of the headlights), which incorporate the DRLs/turn signal so that they extend almost to the A-pillar.


      Could go on, but this is a pretty pathetic attempt/pulling at straws.
      Congratulations, you have pointed out some cars that have one or two of those design elements.

      The GV80 has all of them combined. Only Bentley shares that distinction.

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      03-05-2020 05:46 PM #82
      The V6 turbo is basically priced right on top of the X5 40i. Pretty aggressive


      https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...is-gv80-price/

      The new 2021 Genesis GV80 luxury SUV will start at just under $50,000, with fully loaded models topping $70,000. This new model is the Genesis brand's first SUV, and it's a mid-size entry set to compete with the Mercedes GLE and BMW X5. It will soon be joined by a redesigned G80 mid-size luxury sedan with similar styling.


      The base model is the $49,925 GV80 2.5T, which comes with a turbocharged 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine and rear-wheel drive. The RWD 2.5T also comes in better-equipped Advanced ($53,825) and Prestige ($58,075) trim levels. Each of these 2.5T models offers all-wheel drive for between $5750 and $6350 extra, and the AWD models also come with extra equipment to justify those prices. The 2.5T AWD base model, for instance, has plenty of extras compared to the 2.5T RWD base model including a panoramic sunroof, wood trim, cooled front seats, a heated steering wheel.

      The GV80 3.5T with its 375-hp twin-turbocharged V-6 and standard all-wheel drive starts at $60,175. It also offers Advanced ($65,375) and Prestige ($71,975) trim levels. A third row of seats costs $700 on the Advanced trim. The top Prestige trim comes with fancy stuff including 22-inch wheels, Nappa leather seats, a digital gauge cluster, and heated, cooled, and power-adjustable rear seats. Most of the GV80's paint colors cost $400 extra.

      Genesis has added these prices to the GV80's online configurator tool, and you can currently reserve a GV80 at a dealership. The company says that the first units will be arriving in the U.S. this summer.

    9. 03-07-2020 02:15 AM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      Congratulations, you have pointed out some cars that have one or two of those design elements.

      The GV80 has all of them combined. Only Bentley shares that distinction.

      Congrats that you're deluded enough to think that the GV80 and the Bentayga look alike.

      On that basis, these 2 should always be mistaken for each other.





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      03-07-2020 03:26 AM #84
      I'm assuming that this configurator is not complete yet and that they'll offer some actual options because it's pretty sparse. Choose between 2 engines, 2 packages, 9 colors and 2 interiors. No options whatsoever. At least they have a nice exterior color palette though.
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      03-07-2020 05:34 PM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by alexr18 View Post
      Uh...didn't Luc Donckerwolke design the Bentayga and the GV80? It's not surprising that they favor each other broadly. But I don't really see it in the details.
      Yes, he did. He was the head of design at Bentley, and is now head of all design at Hyundai/Kia and Genesis (taking over the role of Shcreyer).

      I don't understand the uproar from some in this thread. It's less copy as some are putting it, and more a certain form that a designer favors, consider all of the parameters they have to me. They do look similar in some surfaces and how certain elements are resolved, but that doesn't mean one simply copied the other.

      For instance, here are two cars from Gandini, around the same era of design, one being a F/R and the other M/R layout, with very similar surfaces and extremely similar B-pillar treatments. Is one a copy of the other, or are they just both cars designed by Gandini?




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      03-24-2020 09:26 AM #86
      I must have missed this detail, but apparently Genesis is working with Continental to put a 3D display instrument panel in the GV80.

      The whole thing sounds kind of cool, although I think they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble and just put real gauges on that thing.



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      03-24-2020 10:19 AM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by MontoyaF1 View Post
      I must have missed this detail, but apparently Genesis is working with Continental to put a 3D display instrument panel in the GV80.

      The whole thing sounds kind of cool, although I think they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble and just put real gauges on that thing.



      https://www.continental.com/en/press...display-216692

      Yes! Just put the real damn thing and stop adding useless expensive tech.

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      03-24-2020 01:44 PM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0_Mazda View Post
      Yes! Just put the real damn thing and stop adding useless expensive tech.
      But this way, a 3D hand can come out and slap you when you drive like a douche.

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      03-24-2020 04:21 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      But this way, a 3D hand can come out and slap you when you drive like a douche.
      Damn, good idea. Should be standard equipment on all BMWs

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      05-16-2020 11:32 PM #90
      It'll still arrive before the end of the year.

      The 2021 Genesis GV80, the brand’s first SUV, is proving quite popular. Genesis first revealed the GV80 back in January ahead of its summer production date, and so far, the luxury brand has racked up almost 10,000 reservations for the model. The G80, its sedan sibling, has about another 1,500 reservations. But the GV80 may be a bit too popular.

      In an interview with Roadshow, Genesis CEO Mark Del Rosso suggested demand may even outpace supply. Both the GV80 and G80 are slated to enter production this summer, and the company said there are no issues with inventory during the coronavirus pandemic. Del Rosso told the publication that the company is in the “perfect position from an inventory perspective.”

      The GV80’s popularity likely stems from its jaw-dropping design. It sports a striking design as it sets off to compete against the BMW X5, Audi Q7, and other luxury SUVs. Thankfully, the design ethos – called Athletic Elegance – will stay at the company even after Luc Donckerwolke departs, according to another Roadshow report.

      When the 2021 GV80 goes on sale later this year, it’ll offer a ton of technology for customers willing to pay for it. That includes its 3D digital instrument cluster, a 14.5-inch infotainment display, handwriting recognition, an air-purification system that actively monitors the air quality, and a laundry list of available and optional safety features. Power will come from either a 300-horsepower (223-kilowatts) 2.5-liter four-cylinder or a 370-hp (267-kW) turbocharged 3.5-liter V6. Power routes through an eight-speed automatic to either the rear or all four wheels.

      Expect to see the Genesis GV80 and G80 launch sometime this summer as production begins. The rear-wheel-drive model undercuts its German rivals on price, though adding all-wheel drive does make its price much more comparable. In early March, just over a month after revealing the new SUV, Genesis announced it’d received more than 6,000 pre-orders for the model. It looks like that popularity hasn’t slowed much.
      https://www.motor1.com/news/423109/g...000-preorders/

    17. 05-17-2020 10:18 AM #91
      The exterior of this thing is a home run. Would put down actual cash to buy one.

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