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    1. Member 2000JettaGLXVR6's Avatar
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      12-16-2019 05:41 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      I guess.

      I just visited Ford's site. 2020 F-150 Platinum *starts* at $67,000. That's for a two wheel drive. If you add 4x4 it jumps over $70,000. No one bats an eye at that, but Audi starts an A6 Allroad at $65,000 and "OMG no one can afford that!".
      Meanwhile, they depreciate like Audis. You can get a used 2018 Platinum for mid-30's.

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      12-16-2019 05:45 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat View Post
      It's a much bigger car than SQ5. They are going to appeal to totally different kind of buyers.

      Also you have to compare apples to apples. SQ5 premium starts at $53k. SQ5 Premium Plus starts at $56,900 and most of them are optioned in the low $60k range. So there is a $7k difference in starting MSRP between similarly equipped SQ5 and A6 allroad Premium Plus. It's similar size gap between S5 and A6 3.0T Premium Plus.
      Very fair point. I had some booze tipsy logic there after being surprised by the $70k Prestige number. My s/o and I just got a P+ for 19% off MSRP (the just under $50k reference)...so that wasn't apples to apples, as the deal we got would not have occurred nine months ago, nor on a brand new model for the states.

      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      People really aren't surprised by the prices, are they?

      A domestic pickup truck can be optioned past $60,000 in a few clicks, yet a luxury brand introduces a new wagon and at $60,000 it's too expensive?

      Please.
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      I guess.

      I just visited Ford's site. 2020 F-150 Platinum *starts* at $67,000. That's for a two wheel drive. If you add 4x4 it jumps over $70,000. No one bats an eye at that, but Audi starts an A6 Allroad at $65,000 and "OMG no one can afford that!".
      Why the **** are you freaking out and exaggerating one comment about the price of this car?
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      12-16-2019 05:55 PM #28
      For what it's worth:

      2020 A6 2.0T: $54,900 (most will be equipped around $59-60k)
      2020 A6 3.0T: $59,800 (most will be equipped around $64-65k)

      2002 A6 Allroad: $65,900 (most will be equipped around $69k)

      So a premium of $6,100 over the Sedan with the same motor. Seems like most of the Allroad options make up for that cost though.

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      12-16-2019 05:56 PM #29
      That's less than I imagined. I had assumed a Prestige would have been around $80K.

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      12-16-2019 06:06 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by cseaman View Post

      Why the **** are you freaking out and exaggerating one comment about the price of this car?
      Sir, please have the calm.
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      12-16-2019 06:07 PM #31
      You will literally be able to pick one up used for under $33,000 in August 2024. Mark my words.

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      12-16-2019 06:10 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by 2000JettaGLXVR6 View Post

      So a premium of $6,100 over the Sedan with the same motor. Seems like most of the Allroad options make up for that cost though.
      That #lifeonair ain't cheap


      Also in for 33k allroad in 2024

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      12-16-2019 06:12 PM #33
      Anyone complaining about the price of this is most likely has no perspective on how things work in the real world.

      In the 2005MY, the equivalent could cost as much as $47,000 with all the options ticked - that's over $63,000 in today's money. The fully-loaded C5 also doesn't hold a candle to what the base model new version has as far as features go. Yet (broke) people are complaining. This is why Audi and other manufactures don't want to sell these things to us in the first place.

      But yeah, have fun trying to fill as much stuff or fit passengers in the same comfort in that Q5...you know, a full class size smaller. That's always a legitimate comparison.
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      12-16-2019 06:23 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Pizza Cat!!!! View Post
      But yeah, have fun trying to fill as much stuff or fit passengers in the same comfort in that Q5...you know, a full class size smaller. That's always a legitimate comparison.
      I get what you're saying, but IMO the Q5 is just about as comfortable since you sit upright and has around the same size cargo area. The A6 isn't as big inside as it looks and the rear leg room isn't what you'd think it is.

      Q5: 25.1 cubit feet, 53.1 cubic feet with the seats down.

      A6 Avant: 20 cubic feet 59.3 cubic feet with the seats down.

      Also, one is a smaller, S variant, it's going to be a little bit of a different beast.

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      12-16-2019 06:32 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by 2000JettaGLXVR6 View Post
      I get what you're saying, but IMO the Q5 is just about as comfortable since you sit upright and has around the same size cargo area. The A6 isn't as big inside as it looks and the rear leg room isn't what you'd think it is.

      Q5: 25.1 cubit feet, 53.1 cubic feet with the seats down.

      A6 Avant: 20 cubic feet 59.3 cubic feet with the seats down.

      Also, one is a smaller, S variant, it's going to be a little bit of a different beast.
      The interiors may be similarly sized, but after my experience with the 2019 A6, I would pick a version of that over the Q5 every single day. It's absolutely more refined in every way than a Q5/SQ5. This is coming from someone who owned a SQ5. The A6 Allroad will be a much nicer place to be than a Q5.
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      12-16-2019 06:36 PM #36
      The cu. ft (volume) doesn't tell the whole story. Obviously with the Q5, you have a taller compartment, but I'd assume the area of the cargo compartment of the A6 is larger, which if true, would make it easier for stowing certain, bulkier items, like strollers, etc. But you're correct, that the Q5 isn't so small, and the CUV format give you great space efficiency.

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      12-16-2019 06:39 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      But you're correct, that the Q5 isn't so small, and the CUV format give you great space efficiency.
      Had two car seats in the SQ5. It was terribly cramped. Would not recommend. Even with adults sitting in the backseat the front legroom was seriously limited. Meanwhile four adults can fit in the A6 no problem.
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      12-16-2019 06:44 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by 2000JettaGLXVR6 View Post
      For what it's worth:

      2020 A6 2.0T: $54,900 (most will be equipped around $59-60k)
      2020 A6 3.0T: $59,800 (most will be equipped around $64-65k)

      2002 A6 Allroad: $65,900 (most will be equipped around $69k)

      So a premium of $6,100 over the Sedan with the same motor. Seems like most of the Allroad options make up for that cost though.
      Your math is wrong. I already did this post with the right numbers. Allroad is only available as Premium Plus but you are quoting A6 sedan Premium prices for comparison.

      Allroad is onbly $2,400 more than comparable A6 sedan.

      Quote Originally Posted by bzcat
      A6 3.0T Premium Plus is $63,500 so allroad is a pretty reasonable +$2,400
      A7 3.0T Premium Plus is $73,600 so allroad is an amazing -$7,700 Long roof is a hell of a bargain compare to Sportback!
      But everyone in this thread is missing the real story here... A6 Allroad is massively cheaper than A7!
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      12-16-2019 06:56 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by 2000JettaGLXVR6 View Post
      I get what you're saying, but IMO the Q5 is just about as comfortable since you sit upright and has around the same size cargo area. The A6 isn't as big inside as it looks and the rear leg room isn't what you'd think it is.

      Q5: 25.1 cubit feet, 53.1 cubic feet with the seats down.

      A6 Avant: 20 cubic feet 59.3 cubic feet with the seats down.

      Also, one is a smaller, S variant, it's going to be a little bit of a different beast.
      I look away from this thread for 20 minutes and I see that both of the retorts I was going to use have already been posted . But anyway - yeah, the cubic feet argument is completely bogus when comparing against two vehicles that aren't in the same category. The taller roof car is going to win that every time, even if it doesn't have as much usable space. Without knowing the actual length and width figures of both rear hatch areas, I guarantee that the Allroad's is significantly bigger. In everyday use, it's going to be the winner - do you like to carry luggage up to the ceiling of your interior on an everyday basis? I don't either.
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      12-16-2019 07:00 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      The interiors may be similarly sized, but after my experience with the 2019 A6, I would pick a version of that over the Q5 every single day. It's absolutely more refined in every way than a Q5/SQ5. This is coming from someone who briefly leased an SQ5. The A6 Allroad will be a much nicer place to be than a Q5.
      FTFY

      Glad to see my thread went to bickering about the price. It is entirely reasonable, and they were right to skip the base premium trim given the demo who would get this thing. To that end, the A[6]llroad is gonna be for those who get it, not for those who flock to the cliche CUVs. Different human animals.

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      12-16-2019 07:02 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Pizza Cat!!!! View Post
      I look away from this thread for 20 minutes and I see that both of the retorts I was going to use have already been posted . But anyway - yeah, the cubic feet argument is completely bogus when comparing against two vehicles that aren't in the same category. The taller roof car is going to win that every time, even if it doesn't have as much usable space. Without knowing the actual length and width figures of both rear hatch areas, I guarantee that the Allroad's is significantly bigger. In everyday use, it's going to be the winner - do you like to carry luggage up to the ceiling of your interior on an everyday basis? I don't either.
      What, you don't drive with luggage up to the ceiling? That's why there's a roof!


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      12-16-2019 07:05 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      FTFY

      Glad to see my thread went to bickering about the price. It is entirely reasonable, and they were right to skip the base premium trim given the demo who would get this thing. To that end, the A[6]llroad is gonna be for those who get it, not for those who flock to the cliche CUVs. Different human animals.


      It's a thread about price. What else is there to bicker about?
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      12-16-2019 07:13 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post


      It's a thread about price. What else is there to bicker about?
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      12-16-2019 07:25 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Pizza Cat!!!! View Post
      I look away from this thread for 20 minutes and I see that both of the retorts I was going to use have already been posted . But anyway - yeah, the cubic feet argument is completely bogus when comparing against two vehicles that aren't in the same category. The taller roof car is going to win that every time, even if it doesn't have as much usable space. Without knowing the actual length and width figures of both rear hatch areas, I guarantee that the Allroad's is significantly bigger. In everyday use, it's going to be the winner - do you like to carry luggage up to the ceiling of your interior on an everyday basis? I don't either.
      I try not to on trips either, not just every factor for me. If I have to fill past the window line I'm not happy. It is what I love about my current C5 allroad over my previous sportwagens.


      Agreed that overall cubic feet doesn't tell the whole story, especially usable space.

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      12-16-2019 07:29 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by cseaman View Post
      This won't work, which sucks, as I'm in the camp of desperately wishing it could. $65k is an absurd starting price when it doesn't do anything objectively better than the SQ5, which can be in your garage for just under $50k.
      IF the current Q5 is anything like the last one, the much bigger interior is worth the premium.

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      12-16-2019 07:43 PM #46
      Again, my initial post is not something I'd stand by now (sober, lolol) - the $70k number caught me by surprise, but Audi $70k MSRP =/= $70k in your garage. Of all people, I should know that.

      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      Sir, please have the calm.
      If you're going to run your mouth with made up quotations in caps lock, while not having the gall to actually quote the person you're whining about, "Sir, please grow a pair."

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      12-16-2019 07:44 PM #47
      The best $750 you'd ever save.


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      12-16-2019 08:03 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by ND40oz View Post
      Can't you get like 20% off on the F150 though? None of those trucks actually sell for MSRP, it's just a marketing tactic they use to make everyone think they're getting a great deal. You get 6% off the A6 Allroad without joining ACNA you'll have done well.
      I would argue the 20% off the Ford gets you what it should sell for in the first place. It won't ever feel like its MSRP.

      The Audi, when first released, selling for 6% off will feel every bit the price on the sticker.

      Quote Originally Posted by Pizza Cat!!!! View Post
      I look away from this thread for 20 minutes and I see that both of the retorts I was going to use have already been posted . But anyway - yeah, the cubic feet argument is completely bogus when comparing against two vehicles that aren't in the same category. The taller roof car is going to win that every time, even if it doesn't have as much usable space. Without knowing the actual length and width figures of both rear hatch areas, I guarantee that the Allroad's is significantly bigger. In everyday use, it's going to be the winner - do you like to carry luggage up to the ceiling of your interior on an everyday basis? I don't either.
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      12-16-2019 08:03 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by 2000JettaGLXVR6 View Post
      The best $750 you'd ever save.

      The $750 cheaper Jag XF SB only has 296HP, whereas the A[6]llroad has 335HP. The XF SB (S) has 380HP, but that is $71,800, so I'd say if Jag made an in between engine with similar HP to the base Audi, apples to apple the Jag is more.

      Not to mention the Audi has more standard features like the full LED lighting, digital cockpit, and siriusxm- all options on the cheaper Jag.

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      12-16-2019 08:13 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      People really aren't surprised by the prices, are they?

      A domestic pickup truck can be optioned past $60,000 in a few clicks, yet a luxury brand introduces a new wagon and at $60,000 it's too expensive?

      Please.
      Let me know when I can get an A6 allroad as heavily discounted/incentivized as the average domestic pickup truck.
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