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    1. 12-03-2019 12:06 AM #1
      My first PRIUS 2008 GEN 2 had dangerous oversteer from battery weight in the rear. It could be pretty hard to control once it started to fishtail. In the rain one had to drive with extreme caution. My wife was terrified of driving it in the rain especially if the trunk was filled up with heavy stuff. I noticed I had to adjust to it after driving my other car because it had serious oversteer, now I understand why the Corvair had issues,lol.

      Anyone else notice this? The new Prius I have the 2012 Gen 3 does not seem to have this problem. It has larger tires and it a bit heavier in the front.

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      Did you have new, grippy front tires, and worn rear tires? Did you see if your rear drums are properly adjusted? The Prius wasn't designed to be oversteer-y in any aspect at all. Doesn't have a rear sway bar (rear torsion suspension set up), and the front sway bar is just large enough to intentionally inhibit understeer. That's the design for just about any front wheel drive economy car. The handling is tailored for driver control and safety, which means it's catered for understeer, which is far more controllable than oversteer (especially snap oversteer). Either it's a mechanical attribute or unintentional driver control of the vehicle that could've caused the oversteering condition. Not to mention, did, at any point, traction control and stability control step in? If it "dangerously oversteered", you might've been driving too fast for the traction of the tires and road conditions.

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      12-03-2019 07:12 AM #4
      I searched this post for about 5 minutes looking for a hidden embedded link.

      However, if this is true, it explains Prius driving behaviors and why it's so difficult to dislodge them from the left lane. They simply cannot change lanes without experiencing 11/tents everysteer.
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      12-03-2019 07:52 AM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Surf Green View Post
      I searched this post for about 5 minutes looking for a hidden embedded link.
      Naw, dude was trolling one of the EV threads over here and then made a new post about the Prius and its horrible "oversteer".

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      12-03-2019 08:12 AM #6
      My 4 year old's 6v Macan does the same thing. He did learn to live with it but I did have to teach him how to compensate for the weight distribution.

      If you are near South Jersey/Philly area swing on by I can give you the same tutorial I gave him. Juice box optional.

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      12-03-2019 08:28 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by WalterGuida View Post
      My 4 year old's 6v Macan does the same thing. He did learn to live with it but I did have to teach him how to compensate for the weight distribution.

      If you are near South Jersey/Philly area swing on by I can give you the same tutorial I gave him. Juice box optional.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Surf Green View Post

      However, if this is true, it explains Prius driving behaviors and why it's so difficult to dislodge them from the left lane. They simply cannot change lanes without experiencing 11/tents everysteer.
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      12-03-2019 08:29 AM #8
      OP, you are totally onto something here.

      Here's another example of a car with a battery in the trunk...and it oversteers! I guess automotive engineers will never learn.


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      12-03-2019 09:03 AM #9
      Oh damn, must relocate batteries in MR2s immediately!! That will totally resolve the oversteer in them! For sure!

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      12-03-2019 09:44 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Sortafast View Post
      Naw, dude was trolling one of the EV threads over here and then made a new post about the Prius and its horrible "oversteer".
      Yup. The Prius is a very nose-heavy FWD car and that "big battery" is only about 100 pounds. Lighter than having a single adult in the back seat or a small amount of baggage in the trunk. They all understeer, same as any FWD car. Post is garbage.

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    14. 12-03-2019 11:17 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Sortafast View Post
      Naw, dude was trolling one of the EV threads over here and then made a new post about the Prius and its horrible "oversteer".
      I assume you never drove a GEN 2 Prius. I am a road tripper, I have been to every state east of the Mississippi(except Louisiana and Mississippi). Also, been to Canada. This was all done with a Prius first with a GEN 2 now I have a GEN 3, as I hate flying. This is why a full electric would never work for me.

      As for the GEN 2 , it most certainly had oversteer issues. It is very rear heavy with the extra hundreds of pound for the battery(behind the rear wheels). When road tripping with a trunk filled to the prim along with 15 inch tires and a very short front end you get oversteer. It is only really bad in the rain but it was a problem no doubt.

      Has anyone actually driven a gen 2 Prius?

    15. 12-03-2019 11:20 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      OP, you are totally onto something here.

      Here's another example of a car with a battery in the trunk...and it oversteers! I guess automotive engineers will never learn.

      I think people are surprised but the gen 2 prius had a pretty bad oversteer problem. I wife was terrified of driving it in the rain, she drove it like a snail. Remember it had 15 inch tires and if you inflated them too much it would be even worse. I remember filling the tire to get good gas mileage and it made the oversteer even worse.

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      12-03-2019 11:27 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by r286ps2 View Post
      Remember it had 15 inch tires and if you inflated them too much it would be even worse. I remember filling the tire to get good gas mileage and it made the oversteer even worse.
      Not to be painfully obvious, but complaining about overinflated LRR tires in the rain is an indictment of something.... but certainly not the vehicle itself.

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    17. 12-03-2019 11:28 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      Yup. The Prius is a very nose-heavy FWD car and that "big battery" is only about 100 pounds. Lighter than having a single adult in the back seat or a small amount of baggage in the trunk. They all understeer, same as any FWD car. Post is garbage.
      The GEN 2 is not very nose heavy. The new ones do not have the problem but it is heavy in the back where the battery and spare tire and jack are located.

      Have you driven a Gen 2 Prius?

      Here is a quote from a gen 2 driver from Prius Chat:
      https://priuschat.com/threads/possib...ersteer.79022/

      Both my Gen 2 Prius's oversteer. Due to battery weight in back. Once those battries/back end start to rotate, tough to control. Add some ski gear or other heavy luggage and the issue gets worse. Always run 2-4lbs more in fronts to increase understeer. 99% of all cars sold to public understeer. this is because a twitchy oversteering car is a bitxh to control.

    18. 12-03-2019 11:30 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Surf Green View Post
      Not to be painfully obvious, but complaining about overinflated LRR tires in the rain is an indictment of something.... but certainly not the vehicle itself.

      Do you have mirrors in your house?
      I think you misunderstand me, LOL. I am not complaining as I still have a Prius. I actually did not mind the oversteer it was easy to turn once it was controlled.

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      12-03-2019 11:41 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by r286ps2 View Post
      I think you misunderstand me, LOL. I am not complaining as I still have a Prius. I actually did not mind the oversteer it was easy to turn once it was controlled.
      You're not complaining that your first PRIUS 2008 GEN 2 has danger Oversteer?

    21. 12-03-2019 11:43 AM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      You're not complaining that your first PRIUS 2008 GEN 2 has danger Oversteer?

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      12-03-2019 11:45 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Camviet View Post
      Did you have new, grippy front tires, and worn rear tires? Did you see if your rear drums are properly adjusted? The Prius wasn't designed to be oversteer-y in any aspect at all. Doesn't have a rear sway bar (rear torsion suspension set up), and the front sway bar is just large enough to intentionally inhibit understeer. That's the design for just about any front wheel drive economy car. The handling is tailored for driver control and safety, which means it's catered for understeer, which is far more controllable than oversteer (especially snap oversteer). Either it's a mechanical attribute or unintentional driver control of the vehicle that could've caused the oversteering condition. Not to mention, did, at any point, traction control and stability control step in? If it "dangerously oversteered", you might've been driving too fast for the traction of the tires and road conditions.
      I would wager a bet that regen braking played a roll in this too.

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      12-03-2019 11:48 AM #22
      Oh the oversteer conversation in TCL. Still going strong.

      Yes I’ve driven numerous Gen2 Priuses. No, they are not prone to oversteer. For years, until EV’s were more popular, they were the commuters choice where I live. No, they didn’t all spin out and crash when it rained. Most of those cars lived long, dull, drama free lives as intended.

      Let’s not confuse “in just about every car the possibility of oversteer exists in some scenarios” and conclude that those cars oversteer as a basic handling trait.

      My LEAF understeered like a typical FWD econobox. Yet, like just about every car, I could get the tail to come around when driven the right way, because thats how cars work, not just LEAFs and Priuses.
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      12-03-2019 11:49 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by r286ps2 View Post
      My first PRIUS 2008 GEN 2 had dangerous oversteer from battery weight in the rear. It could be pretty hard to control once it started to fishtail. In the rain one had to drive with extreme caution. My wife was terrified of driving it in the rain especially if the trunk was filled up with heavy stuff. I noticed I had to adjust to it after driving my other car because it had serious oversteer, now I understand why the Corvair had issues,lol.

      Anyone else notice this? The new Prius I have the 2012 Gen 3 does not seem to have this problem. It has larger tires and it a bit heavier in the front.
      59%/41% is about as front-heavy as modern cars get...

      https://priuschat.com/threads/gen-2-...e-test.127598/
      I've seen lots of threads here on PC asking about the weight distribution of the gen2. Well, here it is.
      58.62% front, 41.37% rear
      I have no idea what you're describing unless it's lift-throttle tuck-in mid corner. I'd kind of be surprised if it's set up for that the way a Mazda3 or MINI are, but at least that would make sense.

      Never noticed "oversteer" in my Mom's '06 that she's had since new, and she's never complained about its behavior in rain or snow.

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      12-03-2019 11:52 AM #25
      I can reliably induce lift-off oversteer in my Yaris by flicking the wheel. It's a little harder with the summer tires I have on it now but was super easy with the rock-hard low rolling resistance tires it came with.

      I will never have tires like that again on any car -- I will trade 2-3 MPG to be able to stop and turn in the rain.
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