Audi S5 Sportback
Porsche Macan S
VW Golf R
None Of The Above
Unfortunately for me I am extremely practical about big $ purchases. I can't just say - do it, you only live once. I was poor growing up and have done well for myself but it has made me too conscious I guess. I will spend but only after much justification, LOL.
I was impressed with the R when I drove it. I liked it better than the Audi for the simple fact is that it has a hatch. Yes the Audi is put together better but no hatch is a deal breaker for me.
What is JB4?
Completely removable piggy back, good for 30-40 hp/tq on 91.
Spare tire kit for ~300 also required for most people. It's factory just doesn't come included. So dumb, but whatever. That was another problem with the 911 - even with the boxter spare you couldn't physically put the rear wheel in the back unless you had a targa.
I did see the lack of spare tire on the R - what the heck were they thinking? Porsches (accept for the Macan, Cayenne and Panamera) have not had them for a long time now. Ironically I saw a few weeks ago that Kias are not coming with a spare now either.
The nonsense they are shoveling is that its to save weight. Really?
Voted Golf R. As stated if the S5's liftback is adequate and you want to pony up the extra cash than choose that
Hyundai basically exposed the GTI for it's lack of power and meh handling. Sure, I don't disagree it's not a driver's car, but VW has purposefully kept it neutered for years. Then along comes the Veloster N and makes the GTI look weak and pathetic for a $30K+ "hot hatch." The only thing the the GTI has going for it is its interior. It certainly is now outgunned coupled with a long history of engine and emissions issues and horrendous dealership support. It's resting on it's laurels (I owned a Jetta Wolfsburg. I have first hand knowledge of the 2.0T's failings and never ending CELs. Maybe it's better these days but when you buy a CPO VW and you get a CEL before you even make it to your driveway...with only 29K miles on the car...makes you want to reach for the Pepto Bismol). Didn't we just have a forum member buy a new GTI with a ripped seat??? How does that happen? The pleather seats in my Jetta were indestructible.
Flame on. I don't care. I was a VW owner so you're not going to convince me otherwise. The Veloster N is the new VW GTI, minus the interior. But who cares? They put the money into things that an enthusiast really cares about.
To each his own.
I voted Golf R, seems to meet your requirements the best. I do, however, suggest driving the VN. It's a seriously fun car.
One thing to recommend the R...the leg room is very good given the size of the car (coming from a long-legged 6'5" guy)
Maybe not the best choice if some of your activity priorities are hauling many people that are larger-than-average size
Also speaking from the AARP Lounge.....
- Much lower access vs. CUVs. My artificial knees don't always love this. Also, if you have kids in car seats, CUVs easier to access
- As you age, your eyes get worse.....in the ongoing "make new cars with ever-brighter headlights" wars, driving a lower elevation hatch (vs. CUV) at night can make you feel like your retinas are getting seared out by the now-majority CUVs/SUVs whose beams are hitting you at eye level
Last edited by Lujess; 12-04-2019 at 03:13 PM.
2013 4 Door Golf R - CSG
Originally Posted by Khyron
Last edited by Lujess; 12-04-2019 at 03:51 PM.
2013 4 Door Golf R - CSG
GTI and truck. For <70K you can have both new.
fwiw I have GTI and a 4x4 Taco. Same Taco today is prob 35K or so.
unless you want a single $75K vehicle. two dedicated tools often work better than one expensive multi-tool.
Last edited by Strange Mud; 12-04-2019 at 03:47 PM.
My glass is half-full of empty
But you suggest a Golf R? After the horrendous QC and dealership horror stories? I'll never buy another VW again. Ripped seats the dealer missed in a brand new GTI from one forum member and another member just posted this July about his brand new Arteon being damaged and fixed but was never revealed to the buyer. Had to wait months for them to buy it back and get a new one.
I'll take a less than stellar interior over a VW any day. While the Veloster N runs circles around an outdated GTI.
To each his own. Have a nice day.