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    1. Just Milking my Carrot in the Honda break room. Metallitubby's Avatar
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      12-13-2019 05:39 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      Less Honda, more?
      I think the program is too expensive for the returns. I want Honda to be stabilized financially because I have a financial interest via my employment. If Honda leaving F1 means that we can fill job roles, then I'm all for it. Of course I want Honda in F1, but the shifting trends don't look good for that happening.

      What I DON'T want happening is another era similar to the Ford DFV era.
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      12-13-2019 06:02 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      I think the program is too expensive for the returns. I want Honda to be stabilized financially because I have a financial interest via my employment. If Honda leaving F1 means that we can fill job roles, then I'm all for it. Of course I want Honda in F1, but the shifting trends don't look good for that happening.

      What I DON'T want happening is another era similar to the Ford DFV era.
      I agree. was just poking fun. I think F1 is a victim of its own decisions. They made these very complex rules, and were originally going for a turbo 4, but Ferrari vetoed and compromised for a V6. And now we have the most complex ICE in the world, and the FIA held that engine rule as is to help keep the existing manufactures around, alienating the new ones. Ironically, now we might have one(Honda) and maybe two (Renault) leaving the sport. I think a simpler formula will be of great value to F1. I wouldn't mind the DFV era if that meant more open rules on the chassis side.

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      12-13-2019 07:28 PM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      I agree. was just poking fun. I think F1 is a victim of its own decisions. They made these very complex rules, and were originally going for a turbo 4, but Ferrari vetoed and compromised for a V6. And now we have the most complex ICE in the world, and the FIA held that engine rule as is to help keep the existing manufactures around, alienating the new ones. Ironically, now we might have one(Honda) and maybe two (Renault) leaving the sport. I think a simpler formula will be of great value to F1. I wouldn't mind the DFV era if that meant more open rules on the chassis side.
      I have mistyped "Hinda" so many times I'm going to just call it that

      For me, I just think it's people and chemistry and time. Ferrari has been there so many times and just blundered the opportunities away, team and drivers.

      For Honda, they suffered working with an inept McLaren and it's temper tantrum diva of a driver in Alonso, so much time was lost there. And not only that, it was a national embarrassment when Alonso said "GP2 engine" over the radio at the Suzuka GP. He was right that they were struggling but wrong to disrespect his team and it's home nation. I believe some of that still lingers.

      Look at the progress Honda has made with Red Bull. Had Honda been there instead of with McLaren/Alonso they would be even further along today.

      If Honda makes the calculation that F1 doesn't make sense for them I wish them well wherever they go. The void will be filled with someone else, F1 is still a viable platform.

      All car companies are feeling the pinch now, Renault is under the microscope too. Formula 1 will change but it will also retain elements that make it expensive yes, but special too. It isn't and should never be a cookie cutter series.
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      12-13-2019 07:52 PM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      I think the program is too expensive for the returns. I want Honda to be stabilized financially because I have a financial interest via my employment. If Honda leaving F1 means that we can fill job roles, then I'm all for it. Of course I want Honda in F1, but the shifting trends don't look good for that happening.

      What I DON'T want happening is another era similar to the Ford DFV era.
      same, cut budgets, cut programs, cut holiday parties, etc, but once you start cutting people, it sucks. we're currently in the midst of cutting 2k jobs by Jan 2020. such is the industrial diesel engine market.
      welcome to the layer cake

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      12-14-2019 05:06 AM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      and then Honda quits.

      I can say that without a shadow of a doubt that Honda will not be back after 2021. There are rumblings that Honda may pull the plug on every other professional racing proposition save for IndyCar.
      Red Bull won't mind in my opinion. They were winning races even with a Renault engine. And about the same amount of race wins on the same circuits.
      So I guess they will get a customer engine and build the right car.

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      12-17-2019 06:23 AM #106
      I wonder what 2019 would have looked like if Ferrari kept Kimi. It would have provided Vettel with cover for sure. Leclerc got more out of the package and finished higher. Telling is Binotto's comment about Vettel adapting to the car, a trait he seems to be missing.

      Which puts Vettel under even more pressure for 2020. I imagine we'll see some crazy starts and Ted mist moments for the first five races from Vettel as he tries to keep his seat:

      Binotto wants to see Vettel motivation before deciding future


      Last season Vettel finished in fifth place behind his teammate Charles Leclerc and his only race win came in Singapore. Mattia Binotto has revealed they will see how the German performs in the early races before making a call on the future but they want a good idea by the Spanish Grand Prix.

      We have to see the performance, the way he (Vettel) adapts to the car and his motivation for the future,” Binotto told Autoweek.

      It’s not about whether he makes mistakes or not. It’s really about how he sees his future and how we see our team.

      “Ferrari has the advantage that we are very popular among the drivers. We are in a privileged situation. By the beginning of May, roughly around the race in Spain, we want to know where the journey will go in 2021.”

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    8. Just Milking my Carrot in the Honda break room. Metallitubby's Avatar
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      12-17-2019 06:27 AM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by georgeboole View Post
      Red Bull won't mind in my opinion.
      You are correct. Red Bull have a great chassis package regardless of the engine powering it.
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      12-17-2019 10:16 AM #108
      The comedy of errors that is Williams continues;

      Red Bull reject Dan Ticktum has signed as Williams’ development driver, joining the team’s driver academy.

      Earlier this year Ticktum, a double winner of the Macau Grand Prix, was dropped from Red Bull’s junior programme with team boss Christian Horner saying it just “wasn’t working out”.

      However, the 2020 DAMS Formula 2 driver hasn’t been left out of the F1 picture for very long with Williams snapping him up.

      The team announced on Tuesday that Ticktum had joined Williams’ driver academy in the role of development driver.


      The 20-year-old will conduct simulator work and help with car development while also attending two race weekends with full driver integration.


      “It is a privilege to be joining the Williams Racing Driver Academy, especially given Williams’ incredible heritage in our sport,” said Ticktum.

      “The time in the simulator and experience working with the team will prove invaluable for my development.

      “Being fully integrated into the operations will be a fantastic opportunity and I look forward to assisting wherever I can.”

      Claire Williams, Deputy Team Principal, added: “I am delighted that Dan, another exciting young British talent, has joined the Williams Racing Driver Academy.

      His ability behind the wheel has been demonstrated with back-to-back successes at the prestigious Macau Grand Prix in 2017 and 2018.

      “Dan’s technical expertise will prove invaluable to the team and we are looking forward to helping him grow and develop in 2020.”


      This kid SUCKS. There is a reason RB cut ties with him.

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      12-17-2019 10:59 AM #109
      I'm sure there arent tons of people lining up to be at Williams right now It's like you go there to end your career

    11. 12-17-2019 11:06 AM #110
      Cant wait for the Australian Grand Prix. Need to book some plane tickets in advance. I need to first finish applying BlackJack Driveway Sealer I found a good review on https://bestdrivewaysealers.org/blac...sealer-review/ on my driveway though.
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    12. Just Milking my Carrot in the Honda break room. Metallitubby's Avatar
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      12-17-2019 11:15 AM #111
      Quote Originally Posted by roman16v View Post

      This kid SUCKS. There is a reason RB cut ties with him.
      Red Bull cut ties w/ Pato O'ward too, and he doesn't suck.
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      12-17-2019 11:32 AM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by tbvvw View Post
      It was also Alonso's last win in a Renault.
      Actually, his last win in a Renault was Singapore 2008, thanks to some (cough) assistance from LOLPiquet.
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      12-17-2019 11:34 AM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by Babushka View Post
      Cant wait for the Australian Grand Prix. Need to book some plane tickets in advance.
      Is there a particular website you recommend for travel and air fare?

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      12-17-2019 01:53 PM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      I'm sure there arent tons of people lining up to be at Williams right now It's like you go there to end your career
      For the most part you're right, but Rosberg, Bottas, and Hulkenberg came from Williams. Lately it's been a sh!tshow though
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      12-17-2019 02:11 PM #115
      serious question ... why would you not want an F1 DFV era?

      -solves the issue of Mercedes winning everything
      -some of the most inventive chassis and aero revolutions
      -better racing
      -cheaper costs = more teams/cars/drivers

      how exactly is this not a good thing?

      "the engineering battle is fun to watch!"

      no, it isn't.
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      Sounds great. Maybe I'm just a fascist and didn't know it.. I don't know if I even care anymore.

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      12-17-2019 02:27 PM #116
      Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
      serious question ... why would you not want an F1 DFV era?

      -solves the issue of Mercedes winning everything
      -some of the most inventive chassis and aero revolutions
      -better racing
      -cheaper costs = more teams/cars/drivers

      how exactly is this not a good thing?

      "the engineering battle is fun to watch!"

      no, it isn't.
      And orange cones. Needs more cones.

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      12-17-2019 02:34 PM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
      why would you not want an F1 DFV era?
      I would much rather have signature innovation than a standard formula ala IMSA/WEC/ACO
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      12-17-2019 02:39 PM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
      serious question ... why would you not want an F1 DFV era?

      -solves the issue of Mercedes winning everything
      -some of the most inventive chassis and aero revolutions
      -better racing
      -cheaper costs = more teams/cars/drivers

      how exactly is this not a good thing?

      "the engineering battle is fun to watch!"

      no, it isn't.
      The only way a DFV type era would be good is if the regulations on the chassis side opened up significantly, to where we can see real innovation on that side. Otherwise, as restricted as it is today, it'll basically become a spec series.

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      12-17-2019 02:46 PM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      I would much rather have signature innovation than a standard formula ala IMSA/WEC/ACO
      innovation makes for boring racing, and very high costs. innovation is why Mercedes wins it all, and why no one can afford F1 or LMP1.

      i personally think indycar has hit on a good formula of balancing innovation with costs and good racing. id like to see IMSA rely more on regulation than BOP.

      a DFV-like era with more open chassis and suspension regs would be cheaper, make for better racing, and thus grow the sport (both participants and viewers).
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Sounds great. Maybe I'm just a fascist and didn't know it.. I don't know if I even care anymore.

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      12-17-2019 02:56 PM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      The only way a DFV type era would be good is if the regulations on the chassis side opened up significantly, to where we can see real innovation on that side. Otherwise, as restricted as it is today, it'll basically become a spec series.
      Agree, and I would never want it to become a spec series. If people like other series I say vote with your eyes and your money but pardon those who enjoy F1. But I have read just as much beeyotching about the other series here.

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      12-17-2019 02:57 PM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
      a DFV-like era with more open chassis and suspension regs would be cheaper, make for better racing
      This we agree on.
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      12-17-2019 03:14 PM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      Agree, and I would never want it to become a spec series. If people like other series I say vote with your eyes and your money but pardon those who enjoy F1. But I have read just as much beeyotching about the other series here.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Sounds great. Maybe I'm just a fascist and didn't know it.. I don't know if I even care anymore.

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      12-17-2019 03:36 PM #123
      Make the Indy500 part of the world championship again.
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      12-17-2019 03:42 PM #124
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      Make the Indy500 part of the world championship again.
      They will replace it with Miami GP.
      Anyway, I d love to see some of the classic USA tracks in the calendar again. Even if it means that they switch venues each year.

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      12-17-2019 03:43 PM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by georgeboole View Post
      They will replace it with Miami GP.
      I want Indy. On the oval.
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