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      01-10-2020 01:11 PM #276
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      Ok Boomer.

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      01-10-2020 03:28 PM #277
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      As posted earlier, I think this gives proper perspective:
      That chart shows 5 drivers over 3 different number of years (4, 5, 6) and doesn't list number of races started so it's not an equal representation of results over time. And the link returns an error 404.

    4. 01-10-2020 06:22 PM #278
      Quote Originally Posted by tbvvw View Post
      That chart shows 5 drivers over 3 different number of years (4, 5, 6) and doesn't list number of races started so it's not an equal representation of results over time. And the link returns an error 404.

    5. 01-10-2020 10:49 PM #279
      Ocon gets seat fitted, interesting video of it in link:

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      01-11-2020 01:37 PM #280
      Quote Originally Posted by georgeboole View Post
      ...but F1 was always about the pinnacle of hi tech used on cars. And still is, no matter if we like it or not.
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      I have literally zero experience with snow, but it seems to me that if it was raining and there was slush/snow still on the ground, I'd just wash it away with the hose rather than using a shovel. Sure it may freeze overnight, but if it's already raining, it's already going to be wet and freeze anyway, right?

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      01-11-2020 02:04 PM #281
      Quote Originally Posted by Woodski View Post
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      What is your point?
      I know these are fast. I know they broke the Spa record but only after a few tweaks. If an F1 car did the same modifications they wouldn't be even close to each other.
      So to me, and it's just my opinion, F1 is still the pinnacle of motorsport including the technology involved.

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      01-11-2020 02:06 PM #282
      Quote Originally Posted by georgeboole View Post
      What is your point?
      I know these are fast. I know they broke the Spa record but only after a few tweaks. If an F1 car did the same modifications they wouldn't be even close to each other.
      So to me, and it's just my opinion, F1 is still the pinnacle of motorsport including the technology involved.

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      P1 Hybrids were the pinnacle of tech, still more than a current F1 car.
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      I have literally zero experience with snow, but it seems to me that if it was raining and there was slush/snow still on the ground, I'd just wash it away with the hose rather than using a shovel. Sure it may freeze overnight, but if it's already raining, it's already going to be wet and freeze anyway, right?

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      01-11-2020 03:13 PM #283
      Quote Originally Posted by Woodski View Post
      P1 Hybrids were the pinnacle of tech, still more than a current F1 car.
      Aero etc involved?
      I m talking about the whole package that makes the difference.

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    12. 01-14-2020 12:30 PM #286
      I saw this the other day, talk of use a two stroke engine in Formula 1. It reminded of the wold two strokesin motorcycle racing. As Pat Symonds says, the sound would be weed eater awesome

      Helmut Marko seems to be on board:

      "Dr Helmut Marko is not writing off the chances that Formula 1 will be powered by two-stroke engines from 2025.

      So Pat Symonds, an experienced engineer who is now Liberty Media’s F1 technical boss, told a Motorsport Industry Association conference that the future could be two-stroke.

      He said those engines would be “much more efficient”, produce a “great sound from the exhaust, and a lot of the problems with the old two strokes are just not relevant anymore”.

      I certainly think the internal combustion engine has a future that’s longer than a lot of politicians realise because politicians are hanging everything on electric vehicles,” he said.

      But it seems that Symonds’ vision has caught Formula 1 as a whole by surprise.


      At the moment it sounds like a carnival speech,” said Red Bull’s plain-talking Dr Helmut Marko, when asked about Symonds’ comments.

      But I will seriously ask my engineers about it,” he told Auto Bild.

      “We should know how much horsepower you can get out of them, how efficient are they really, and can they really work with alternative fuels,” he added.


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      01-14-2020 12:36 PM #287
      First thing I thought of


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      01-14-2020 12:42 PM #288
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post

      "Dr Helmut Marko is not writing off the chances that Formula 1 will be powered by two-stroke engines from 2025.
      Great Austrians think alike. See also KTM's current offerings.
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    15. 01-14-2020 01:17 PM #289
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      Great Austrians think alike. See also KTM's current offerings.
      The Moto GP two strokes sounded awesome. I think I'm on board with this. Intrested to see if it goes anywhere.

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      01-14-2020 01:44 PM #290
      Sorry if we go to 2 stroke engines I'm done.


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      01-14-2020 01:50 PM #291
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      Sorry if we go to 2 stroke engines I'm done.

      2T injection w/ turbocharger and hybrid would be pretty neat (and sound funky)
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      01-14-2020 03:09 PM #292
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      2T injection w/ turbocharger and hybrid would be pretty neat (and sound funky)
      Perfect for F2

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      01-14-2020 03:12 PM #293
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      Sorry if we go to 2 stroke engines I'm done.

      The old 500cc (prior to being renamed to MotoGP) were terrifying and insanely fast and powerful, and sounded great at high revs. So who knows. I wouldn't make any assumptions. However, I'm curious how they would produce a two-stroke that's got less unwanted emissions than the current 4 stroke engines.

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      01-14-2020 03:13 PM #294
      Quote Originally Posted by georgeboole View Post
      Aero etc involved?
      I m talking about the whole package that makes the difference.

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      F1 may be the pinnacle of Motorsport, but I think Woodski is on to something. I think there is more trickle down tech from endurance type racing to real world automobiles.
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      01-14-2020 03:14 PM #295
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      The old 500cc (prior to being renamed to MotoGP) were terrifying and insanely fast and powerful, and sounded great at high revs.
      Yea in a motorcycle, where they belong. Not in the worlds pinnacle racing series.

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      01-14-2020 03:24 PM #296
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      Yea in a motorcycle, where they belong. Not in the worlds pinnacle racing series.
      I say bring on every and all power-plant. Rotary, electric, gasoline, diesel, hybrid, hydrogen. Make engineering great again.
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      01-14-2020 03:47 PM #297
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      I say bring on every and all power-plant. Rotary, electric, gasoline, diesel, hybrid, hydrogen. Make engineering great again.
      Don't forget the half-rotate engine as well.

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      01-14-2020 04:04 PM #298
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      Don't forget the half-rotate engine as well.
      and exhaust gas supercharging
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      01-14-2020 05:16 PM #299
      Quote Originally Posted by 91gti20v View Post
      F1 may be the pinnacle of Motorsport, but I think Woodski is on to something. I think there is more trickle down tech from endurance type racing to real world automobiles.
      That may be the case but road relevance isn't tge point. Although I think all of those endurance supercars are just almost an F1 car under a coat of road relevance.
      As for the 2 spoke engines, maybe Ferrari would be happy justifying all that smoke from their exhaust in 2018!
      Would be interesting, but as mentioned before, sound would be great on high rpm. Same applies for the current V6T, but thwy still run low. And as long as efficiency is involved, everybody wants lower revs.

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    26. 01-14-2020 08:15 PM #300
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      Sorry if we go to 2 stroke engines I'm done.

      I get this. I feel the same about Formula E, not thanks for me!

      IMO they're trying to keep a combustion engine in the car and a high revving two stroke on alternative fuels would satisfy the enviro concerns and give us sound. But I don't see how Mercedes and Ferrari use that to promote their road cars though. It's an interesting idea that could just be a smoke screen (ha!) while they continue on with what they have.

      I remember reading about Freddi Spencer, Eddie Lawson and Wayne Rainey in Moto GP and just loving their bikes. Those pipes! They sounded like a pack of very angry hornets coming for your "A"

      Formula 1 could make it look and sound sexy. I just don't see the production tie in. I guess they only vaguely can now with their use of hybrids.

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