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      12-01-2019 09:56 AM #1
      Only three and a half months this time.

      Test Date Circuit
      PRE-SEASON TEST 1 19-21 FEB Barcelona
      PRE-SEASON TEST 2 26 - 28 FEB Barcelona


      Round
      Grand Prix Circuit Date
      1
      Australian Grand Prix Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit, Melbourne Canceled
      2
      Bahrain Grand Prix Bahrain International Circuit, Sakhir Postponed
      3 Vietnamese Grand Prix Hanoi Street Circuit, Hanoi Postponed
      4
      Chinese Grand Prix Shanghai International Circuit, Shanghai Postponed
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      Dutch Grand Prix Circuit Zandvoort, Zandvoort Canceled
      6 Spanish Grand Prix Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya, Montmeló See below
      7 Monaco Grand Prix Circuit de Monaco, Monte Carlo[/strike] Canceled
      8 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Baku City Circuit, Baku Postponed
      9 Canadian Grand Prix Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Montréal Postponed
      10 French Grand Prix Circuit Paul Ricard, Le Castellet Postponed
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      Austrian Grand Prix Red Bull Ring, Spielberg See below
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      British Grand Prix Silverstone Circuit, Silverstone See below
      13 Hungarian Grand Prix Hungaroring, Mogyoród See below
      14 Belgian Grand Prix Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps, Stavelot See below
      15 Italian Grand Prix Autodromo Nazionale Monza, Monza See below
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      Singapore Grand Prix
      Marina Bay Street Circuit, Singapore 20-Sep
      17 Russian Grand Prix Sochi Autodrom, Sochi
      See below
      18 Japanese Grand Prix Suzuka International Racing Course, Suzuka 11-Oct
      19 United States Grand Prix Circuit of the Americas, Austin, Texas Canceled
      20 Mexico City Grand Prix Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, Mexico City 1-Nov
      21 Brazilian Grand Prix Autódromo José Carlos Pace, São Paulo 15-Nov
      22 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Yas Marina Circuit, Abu Dhabi 29-Nov


      New 2020 Schedule.


      Round Grand Prix Circuit Date
      1 Austrian Grand Prix* Red Bull Ring, Spielberg 7/5/2020
      2 Austrian Grand Prix* Red Bull Ring, Spielberg 7/12/2020
      3 Hungarian Grand Prix* Hungaroring, Mogyoród 7/19/2020
      4 British Grand Prix* Silverstone Circuit, Silverstone 8/2/2020
      5 British Grand Prix* Silverstone Circuit, Silverstone 8/9/2020
      6 Spanish Grand Prix* Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya, Montmeló 8/16/2020
      7 Belgian Grand Prix* Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps, Stavelot 8/30/2020
      8 Italian Grand Prix* Autodromo Nazionale Monza, Monza 9/6/2020
      9 Tuscan Grand Prix* Mugello circuit, Italy 9/11/2020
      10 Russian Grand Prix Sochi Autodrom, Sochi 9/27/2020
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      * Without fans in attendance.



      Team Constructor Power Unit Number Driver Number Driver
      Mercedes-AMG Petronas Formula One Team Mercedes Mercedes 44 Lewis Hamilton 77 Valtteri Bottas
      Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow Ferrari Ferrari 5 Sebastian Vettel 16 Charles Leclerc
      Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Red Bull Racing-Honda Honda 33 Max Verstappen 23 Alex Albon
      Renault F1 Team Renault Renault 3 Daniel Ricciardo 31 Esteban Ocon
      Haas F1 Team Haas-Ferrari Ferrari 8 Romain Grosjean 20 Kevin Magnussen
      McLaren F1 Team McLaren-Renault Renault 55 Carlos Sainz Jr. 47 Lando Norris
      SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team Racing Point-BWT Mercedes Mercedes 11 Sergio Pérez 18 Lance Stroll
      Alfa Romeo Racing F1 Team Alfa Romeo Racing-Ferrari Ferrari 7 Kimi Räikkönen 36 Antonio Giovinazzi
      Scuderia Alpha Tauri Honda Alpha Tauri Honda Honda 26 Daniil Kvyat 10 Pierre Gasly
      ROKiT Williams Racing Williams-Mercedes Mercedes 40 Nicholas Latifi 63 George Russell
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      12-01-2019 10:19 AM #2
      Interested to see how the young guns improve on 2019. Hope to see Norris and hopefully Russell take a couple of steps forward. And what a full season at the big team will do for Albon.


      Also hope to see the resurgence of HAAS but in keeping Gross Jeans I just dont see how its going to be possible


      Edit: I also really hope we keep the SkySports feed without commercials. I really dont want to have to stream races or watch them recorded online. I am much more likely to find out results going onto their website to pull up a recording rather than opening my DVR. Dont let me down ESPN!!
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      12-01-2019 01:19 PM #3
      Done with the other thread! I see that Russell is getting a Mercedes drive in a few weeks at Abu Dhabi for Pirelli 18" tire testing. Will be interesting to see how he does in the W10.

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      12-01-2019 04:36 PM #4
      I hope I can afford to go to Hungary or Monza this time.
      2020 will be interesting to watch, as some teams will focus in the 2021 new rules while others can't even afford thinking about it.

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      12-01-2019 05:07 PM #5
      tough to keep my interest when MB wraps it up so early.

      looking forward to watching more of Lando Norris in 2020 though.
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      12-01-2019 06:27 PM #6
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      12-04-2019 08:09 AM #7
      Dutch Grand Prix Circuit Zandvoort, Zandvoort 3-May
      I knew nothing about Zandvoot.

      I now know:


      1. It's on the beach
      2. It's an hour from Amsterdam.
      3. They are adding banking to turn 4 and 15. The banking on 15 (final right hander before the main straight) is fairly steep @ 18 degrees.
      4. The photo below being shared on social media is NOT the track. It's a mockup of turn 4 constructed just outside the south side of the circuit.


      https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/z...build/4605912/


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      12-04-2019 08:12 AM #8
      Apparently, since FOM is so vigilant about removing anything F1 from YouTube people are uploading F1 video to other places.

      I'm reading this morning that there are full races on PornHub. In HD.


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      12-04-2019 08:24 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      I knew nothing about Zandvoot.

      I now know:


      1. It's on the beach
      2. It's an hour from Amsterdam.
      3. They are adding banking to turn 4 and 15. The banking on 15 (final right hander before the main straight) is fairly steep @ 18 degrees.
      4. The photo below being shared on social media is NOT the track. It's a mockup of turn 4 constructed just outside the south side of the circuit.


      https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/z...build/4605912/

      I went to Zandervort last year for "supercar day." It was basically Euro cars and coffee + a track day and some drag races. It's actually really close to Amsterdam as the crow flies- takes an hour by train with a lot of stops. Could probably drive in half the time or less. A Dutch colleague informs me that tickets are being treated like superbowl tickets and were sold out months ago. I don't particularly like Verstappen, but he certainly has ignited F1 fever in the Netherlands, which is what made this race happen.

      The track is just off the beach and goes up and down the dunes- pretty cool way to get topography in an otherwise pancake flat country. Based on watching it being run in person and a bunch of iracing laps, it's definitely more of a tight technical course- there's not much room for passing other than on the front straight. I think it would be a very fun track on an amateur track day, but it certainly will have challenges being a compelling F1 track. It will be interesting to see how the modifications change it. The facilities overall needed upgrades- the grandstands likely hadn't been touched since the 1970s and there clearly needs to be better crowd control features before F1, but I imagine those items are being addressed.

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      12-04-2019 09:20 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by @McMike View Post
      I knew nothing about Zandvoot.

      I now know:


      1. It's on the beach
      2. It's an hour from Amsterdam.
      3. They are adding banking to turn 4 and 15. The banking on 15 (final right hander before the main straight) is fairly steep @ 18 degrees.
      4. The photo below being shared on social media is NOT the track. It's a mockup of turn 4 constructed just outside the south side of the circuit.
      5. Everyone will be in orange.
      6. More beer per person will be consumed that most here can imagine. (i've been to Spa, I like and drink a lot of beer, I never saw anything like "that" before though....)
      Amended.

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      12-05-2019 01:32 PM #11
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      12-10-2019 04:33 PM #12
      Both Haas and Alfa are b-teams just like Toro Rosso (aka the new Alfa).
      Especially Haas get more standard parts designed for Ferrari than Alfa (see front wing differences at the start of the season) or Alfa is more like a test bed for Ferrari.
      Haas has made their choice since joining F1 that they first need to establish themselves as a midfield team with the help of Ferrari, and then move forward.
      I hope they both stay strong and avoid becoming a new Williams

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      12-10-2019 05:07 PM #13
      Gene Haas doesn't like spending lots of money to finish mid-field. I give them one more year of being a B-team before he either pulls the plug or finds a buyer in Penske.
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    14. 12-10-2019 05:21 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      Gene Haas doesn't like spending lots of money to finish mid-field. I give them one more year of being a B-team before he either pulls the plug or finds a buyer in Penske.
      Holy fek, Penske. I guess you can't take it with you and at 82 years old and worth better than a billion and a half, Roger is swinging for the fences.

      Roger squashed rumors he was buying Mercedes AMG PETRONAS, but I expect he would take no less if getting in the world's traveling circus.

      But as he says, his hands will be full working IndyCar.

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      12-10-2019 05:25 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      I guess you can't take it with you and at 82 years old and worth better than a billion and a half, Roger is swinging for the fences.
      This sums it up. He's trying to solidify his name in any and everything he's ever loved before he passes on.
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      12-10-2019 05:46 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      Gene Haas doesn't like spending lots of money to finish mid-field. I give them one more year of being a B-team before he either pulls the plug or finds a buyer in Penske.
      Yup, and hence my concern for them. I don't know how effective the cost cap is going to be in a few years once it settled in beyond the first year, but if teams like Haas come into the sport without a chance of scoring a podium, let alone winning a race, I don't see others with deep pockets and the ability to form a real team ever wanting to step foot into F1.

      TLDR: F1 needs to have Haas succeed for its longevity beyond the manufacturers' era.

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      12-11-2019 04:06 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      F1 needs to have Haas succeed for its longevity beyond the manufacturers' era.
      Agreed.
      But Haas needs to change its status from b team in order to win. You can only expect a random podium place when there is a chaotic race (see Gasly) but if you cant to really be up there you need to do work.
      That is develop your own car rather than get standard parts that others have developped for you.
      Oh, and get a proper driver line up

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    18. 12-11-2019 06:00 AM #18
      If you think about it, Haas was just like Ferrari but without the speed. They went in the wrong direction with the aero of the car like Ferrari did, except Haas never recovered. It was so bad that at the end if the season, Steiner said that they should have listened to their drivers more, the two guys we all think they should dump. It also kinda brings home my point about people, as in Ferrari's case, even with resources, if you get it wrong you pay dearly:

      Magnussen
      Even in Bahrain in qualifying, we qualified… I can’t remember, sixth of something, up there. Then in the race it just completely fell apart.

      “So from there on it was a little bit of panic in the team.

      “We couldn’t really focus on… kind of find the real root of the problem. We were looking a lot at tyres and blaming the problem on tyres issues whereas in fact it was a little more simple.

      We just had aero issues, unstable aero and the whole platform just not being strong enough and consistent, stable enough."

      https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/51869...he-season.html

    19. 12-11-2019 11:27 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by ErikGTI View Post
      Rendering of the new Zandvoort banking.


      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      Wow, that's some track!
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      awesome. that banking and elevation change is great

      To me that doesn't look like a track that will produce exciting racing at all. Qualifying might be electric, but as wide as these cars are, I think the excitement will end after Saturday

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      12-12-2019 04:15 PM #20
      I beloeve Hamilton will want to end his carrer in Ferrari trying to get them on top again.
      That means Vettel will either retire or go back to Red Bull for a last year.
      I dont think Alonso is really an option as Honda might well be on the right track but is still not at Mercedes level. So Alonso will not be happy once again.
      Verstappen is really fast, maybe the fastest right now, but cracks when his teammate performs better than him. He was trying so hard to beat Ricciardo in qualifying that crashed most of the times. On the other hand, he performs better with weaker teammates, so Ferrari will not be an option if Leclerc stays there. So I m guessing he will drive for Mercedes.
      The thing is that the only man who can take full advantage of the new 2021 aero regulations is in Red Bull. So in my opinion, that's the team to get championships then.

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    21. 12-12-2019 05:52 PM #21
      Horner and Marko don't want Alonso either. Remember last year when Alonso started an argument with both of those men about being called to race for Red Bull? Alonso is a bomb, no way he goes to Red Bull, Honda nor the team want him. Too toxic.

      Vettel says he isn't done and will look beyond 2021 but Ferrari is probably done with him. Vettel going home to Red Bull would make Marko (who brags that Vettel stays in touch with the team) and Horner happy. In the right environment and being number 1 Vettel would perform better. The pressure of the red car was too much.

      Vettel could mentor Albon and I agree with the earlier assessment. Albon is good but nothing like Vettel, Hamilton or even Leclerc and Verstappen, he doesn't have their outright speed or thier race pace early in his career like they did. Albon is a longer term project that may or may not pan out.

    22. 12-12-2019 05:58 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by georgeboole View Post
      I beloeve Hamilton will want to end his carrer in Ferrari trying to get them on top again.
      That means Vettel will either retire or go back to Red Bull for a last year.
      I dont think Alonso is really an option as Honda might well be on the right track but is still not at Mercedes level. So Alonso will not be happy once again.
      Verstappen is really fast, maybe the fastest right now, but cracks when his teammate performs better than him. He was trying so hard to beat Ricciardo in qualifying that crashed most of the times. On the other hand, he performs better with weaker teammates, so Ferrari will not be an option if Leclerc stays there. So I m guessing he will drive for Mercedes.
      The thing is that the only man who can take full advantage of the new 2021 aero regulations is in Red Bull. So in my opinion, that's the team to get championships then.

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      This is a very interesting take and one I hadn't thought about.

      With new regulations it's going to come down to who can engineer the best car the fastest and Adrian Newey is the aero visionary of our time.

      Ferrari can't find their azzes with the lights on and Mercedes has been known to struggle but eventually get it right. That leaves and opening fir Red Bull to possibly exploit.

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      12-13-2019 04:27 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      This is a very interesting take and one I hadn't thought about.

      With new regulations it's going to come down to who can engineer the best car the fastest and Adrian Newey is the aero visionary of our time.

      Ferrari can't find their azzes with the lights on and Mercedes has been known to struggle but eventually get it right. That leaves and opening fir Red Bull to possibly exploit.
      For me it is more likely that Mercedes could follow Red Bull rather than Ferrari. The thing with Red Bull is that they also need a top driver. In my scenario Vettel could be lucky at the time.
      As for Alonso... Alonso is great but only when he is the undisputable #1. He sets the car up to his likes (and he is great at that) but to me he seems more like a diva who can't decide what's good for him.
      And to tell you the truth, I d love to see Sainz or Norris or Russel fight for a championship.

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      12-13-2019 04:34 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by georgeboole View Post
      The thing is that the only man who can take full advantage of the new 2021 aero regulations is in Red Bull. So in my opinion, that's the team to get championships then.
      and then Honda quits.

      I can say that without a shadow of a doubt that Honda will not be back after 2021. There are rumblings that Honda may pull the plug on every other professional racing proposition save for IndyCar.
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      12-13-2019 04:42 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      and then Honda quits.

      I can say that without a shadow of a doubt that Honda will not be back after 2021. There are rumblings that Honda may pull the plug on every other professional racing proposition save for IndyCar.
      Even MotoGP?

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