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      12-01-2019 01:31 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      Buick is big in China too but that doesn't make it a great brand, you see that because China has a growing middle class that is underserved. * China sold 28 million vehicles last year to our 17 million sold here, an 11 million unit difference. So China is a special market for sure and drawing buying distinctions from it is honestly an inexact exercise.

      VW sells a1,700,000 unitsin Europe. The UK has similar results as we. ** In one survey in the UK the Golf ranked 79th in reliability. *** In another the VW brand ranked 16th out if 31 brands. At least the UK seems like they feel the same way we do about VW.


      * https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...o-decades.html

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      Well I can say the same thing for US market. Making Chinese market seem inferior to the US when they have way more sales, more competition is frankly racist.US market has stagnated, China is the future. VW kills it in Europe as well, which also has more competition than US. I don’t need to read what reliability studies say. I am talking about facts, sales figures. VW is number 2 in sales behind Ford in UK.. Anyway am done, you have some anti VW agenda on this site and US superiority complex as well.
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    3. 12-01-2019 01:48 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Swappy View Post
      Well I can say the same thing for US market. Making Chinese market seem inferior to the US when they have way more sales, more competition is frankly racist.US market has stagnated, China is the future. VW kills it in Europe as well, which also has more competition than US. I don’t need to read what reliability studies say. I am talking about facts, sales figures. VW is number 2 in sales behind Ford in UK.. Anyway am done, you have some anti VW agenda on this site and US superiority complex as well.

    4. 12-01-2019 01:53 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Swappy View Post
      Well I can say the same thing for US market. Making Chinese market seem inferior to the US when they have way more sales, more competition is frankly racist.US market has stagnated, China is the future. VW kills it in Europe as well, which also has more competition than US. I don’t need to read what reliability studies say. I am talking about facts, sales figures. VW is number 2 in sales behind Ford in UK.. Anyway am done, you have some anti VW agenda on this site and US superiority complex as well.
      Oh no, I'm not saying the China market is inferior by no means, but trying to chest thump over it is immature. It's market is again, underserved and growing at a phenomenal rate,bdrawing distinction here I'd fruitless.

      The UK is more similar to us and VW's rankings there blow there too. You don't need to read because you're a fan, I get it, but you can't ignore what's sitting in the service department bay here.

    5. 12-01-2019 01:57 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      MonsterM, according to Slappy The Squirrel you live in a racist market that is stagnant, China is the future so plan on moving soon and VW rules Europe, just not in the same way as in WW2.

      So get with the program and buy a Passat already
      Last edited by Burnette; 12-01-2019 at 02:03 PM.

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      12-01-2019 02:02 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by dr_spock View Post
      Maybe it wasn't a good idea replacing my 1998 VW with a recent model. My 2019 VW clutch pedal started squeaking. Time to bend over on the driver's seat and apply some lube.
      Meh, a 40 MPH crash in that 1998 would send you to the hospital, in the new car you’d walk away.

      If I’m driving an old car and going to get mangled it has to be fun.
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      12-01-2019 02:07 PM #31
      My 2016 GTI has been flawless, well... one recall for the sunroof frame and gas evap thingie

      Outside of that it’s been dead nuts reliable.

      Those recalls have been the only trip to the dealer in 4 years.

      I’m now on a Strat Protune and I am putting down lots of power.

      I will say VW used to have crazy nice interiors for cars under $30k.... now they’re just average.

      Everyone else has stepped up their games.

      If I was in the market for a new car I can’t imagine I’d even head to the VW dealer. Hyundai/Kia or Honda would probably get my $$$, especially now that the 6/72 is gone.
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    8. 12-01-2019 02:37 PM #32
      It's the same couple of guys ruining every thread. Gets tiresome.

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      12-01-2019 03:38 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      MonsterM, according to Slappy The Squirrel you live in a racist market that is stagnant, China is the future so plan on moving soon and VW rules Europe, just not in the same way as in WW2.

      So get with the program and buy a Passat already
      Better look for a used GT
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    10. 12-01-2019 04:11 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Ttone74 View Post
      Better look for a used GT
      And then ship it to China, profit

    11. 12-01-2019 04:17 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by KrisA View Post
      My wife's 2015 Golf 7 5mt has been perfect for 5 years. Basic maintenance only, zero repairs, and despite living a tough life it feels like it's wearing well and t still looks great.

      My 2018 Alltrack 6mt has had the leaking sunroof and recently had th tranny rebuilt after the 3 main bearing were fried. 1-2 shift is super notchy still. My dealer service has been decent on these issues, they only reason I wouldn't say it's been good is it took two attempts to fix the roof. It's too bad the car has been subpar reliability wise as otherwise I love it. If I have any other issues I'll dump it, though I have also thought about writing nicely to VW Canada and seeing if they would do anything to get me into a 2019 with a good deal.
      A tranny rebuild on a 2018 car is NOT a good sign. How is it we live in 2019 and VW transmissions are still so unreliable. I just do not get it but a bad transmission is a car's worst nightmare.

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      12-01-2019 04:17 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by appleman View Post
      not a shocker, their lineup has been quite troubled the past couple years. Not to mention even their own dealers are upset about the vehicles and reliability. VW has a terrible lineup. They have lost their way.
      I feel like we’ve been having this same discussion the entire 2 decades I’ve been on this forum.

      VW USA market share has been pretty constant with brief peaks in 1981 and 2012.

      Seems reasonable given they make the same decisions, good and bad, over and over again.

      http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/volkswagen/

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      12-01-2019 04:19 PM #37
      Some things never change. VW gonna VW.
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    14. 12-01-2019 04:44 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by r286ps2 View Post
      How is it we live in 2019 and VW transmissions are still so unreliable.
      Go back to 1998-2004 and ask Honda that.

      I'm sure you'll want to stop in at Nissan as well.

      The more they strive for gas mileage and integration with the entire drive and body control systems, the more complex they make every part. Including transmissions.

      And at the same time, they get beaten on by the bean counters who would rather they solve the increasingly complex stability and fuel use requirements using duct tape and bailing wire. (Actually, I think American Honda patented that.)

    15. 12-01-2019 05:27 PM #39
      Mazda is on the 5th revision of the 6mt in the ND Miata. They keep munching 2nd gear. A little too much adding lightness, especially considering the NC trans was so reliable. Fiat decided to use the NC trans in the Fiata and hasn't had any issues with it.

      Subaru have had major recalls on every model recently.

      All manufacturers have these issues, though my wifes last 3 Mercedes have been dead reliable to 100k miles, but no way I'm keeping any modern car past 100k miles with all the plastic they use in the engines auxiliary systems and plumbing.

      That being said, VW's have consistently had electrical and sunroof issues. If you buy one, avoid sunroofs, digital dashs and advanced features.

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      12-01-2019 05:50 PM #40
      Ya'll are two weeks late to this ROZAP party --

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    17. 12-01-2019 09:12 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by elmo3 View Post
      Go back to 1998-2004 and ask Honda that.

      I'm sure you'll want to stop in at Nissan as well.

      The more they strive for gas mileage and integration with the entire drive and body control systems, the more complex they make every part. Including transmissions.

      And at the same time, they get beaten on by the bean counters who would rather they solve the increasingly complex stability and fuel use requirements using duct tape and bailing wire. (Actually, I think American Honda patented that.)
      Well yeah JATCO and Honda have some pretty bad transmissions. Honda is making an attempt to get better as they have the capital to invest in improving. Nissan has been in trouble for years and since the French bought them they have gone downhill in reliability.

    18. 12-01-2019 09:14 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Silver_arrow12! View Post
      Oh, and modem VW's are a lot more reliable than in the 80's and 90's. It was a **** show back then.

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      Not sure I agree with this. I have a 1984 Rabbit and it is pretty reliable but even if something breaks it is not thousands of dollars to fix like the new VWs.

    19. 12-01-2019 09:48 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by r286ps2 View Post
      Not sure I agree with this. I have a 1984 Rabbit and it is pretty reliable but even if something breaks it is not thousands of dollars to fix like the new VWs.
      I'm sure a well maintained A1 GTI is reliable today, initial quality wasn't great. I owned a new A1, A2, and A3. It's wasn't pretty.

      The 6/72 warranty is the only reason I came back to VW. My sons 2018 and my 2019 GTI have been pretty good. One issue with the 2019.

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      12-01-2019 10:45 PM #44
      My 2012 Golf R hasn’t needed a repair in 105k, only maintenance. There’s nothing really interesting in the VW lineup anymore, so I probably won’t be back. The MK6 was built solidly. Germany seems to be going soft lately. Jeep and Cameron’s for the USA win.

    21. 12-02-2019 11:18 AM #45
      Not surprised at all. VW has really lost the way. Talk to a new VW owner that just moved over to the brand. Horror stories and they typically mention the car/suv is a piece of crap. I have a couple people at work that moved over an purchased newer VWs, they want to drive them off cliffs. I dont hear the complaints as much from people that have owned multiple VWs previously. But lets be honest, this is a VW community and how many of us have moved on from the brand and used to be VW faithful. This is how I look at it. Let say I have a kid or wife that needs a car but will put some mileage on it daily. Would I risk placing them in a VW or looking at a Kia or Hyndai with less issues and better warranty?

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      12-02-2019 11:24 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Mr Roo View Post
      Not surprised at all. VW has really lost the way. Talk to a new VW owner that just moved over to the brand. Horror stories and they typically mention the car/suv is a piece of crap. I have a couple people at work that moved over an purchased newer VWs, they want to drive them off cliffs. I dont hear the complaints as much from people that have owned multiple VWs previously. But lets be honest, this is a VW community and how many of us have moved on from the brand and used to be VW faithful. This is how I look at it. Let say I have a kid or wife that needs a car but will put some mileage on it daily. Would I risk placing them in a VW or looking at a Kia or Hyndai with less issues and better warranty?
      I know SO MANY PEOPLE that owned ONE VW, just one. That's all it took to swear them off the brand. This has been going on for decades.

    23. 12-02-2019 11:58 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      I know SO MANY PEOPLE that owned ONE VW, just one. That's all it took to swear them off the brand. This has been going on for decades.
      There's also lots of masochists that keep buying them over and over.

      That being said, you have to be a deranged fanboi to buy a new Tiguan or Atlas. Rental car interiors, poor driving dynamics, even for SUV's. I was stuck in a Tiguan for a week waiting for an O2 sensor for my car and the throttle tip, gearing and shift quality made it impossible to drive smoothly. That should be VW's bread and butter, smooth and torquey, but they couldn't even do that right. And the cheap plastic. Everywhere.

      If you're going to rely on SUV's to pad the profits, they have to be better than that. Ewww.

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      12-02-2019 03:37 PM #48
      They are on their way to solving all of their engine and transmissions problems. The solution is take all of that out and make it an EV.

      I'm only kind of joking. I think they are ramping down ICE engineering and putting that time and money into EV tech. That is making things less reliable. Obviously just a guess but hopefully their EVs do better than their latest ICE vehicles.

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      12-02-2019 04:06 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Silver_arrow12! View Post
      There's also lots of masochists that keep buying them over and over.

      That being said, you have to be a deranged fanboi to buy a new Tiguan or Atlas. Rental car interiors, poor driving dynamics, even for SUV's. I was stuck in a Tiguan for a week waiting for an O2 sensor for my car and the throttle tip, gearing and shift quality made it impossible to drive smoothly. That should be VW's bread and butter, smooth and torquey, but they couldn't even do that right. And the cheap plastic. Everywhere.

      If you're going to rely on SUV's to pad the profits, they have to be better than that. Ewww.

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      I guess I'm a deranged fanboi

      I like the minimalist interior, durable V-tex seats, snappy screen and straightforward controls. Maybe I have better coordination or something, but the car is super easy to drive smoothly once you recognize its power limitations. The driving dynamics are just fine for real life.

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      12-02-2019 04:20 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      I know SO MANY PEOPLE that owned ONE VW, just one. That's all it took to swear them off the brand. This has been going on for decades.
      <Slowly raises hand>

      Granted, I did own it for 17 years.
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