Isn't Acura's fall more notable here, since lots of people expect VW to be unreliable, and think Toyota and Honda are foolproof?
Imagine having not much reason for existing at all in this market in the first place, and having poor reliability? Might as well be Fiat
it is quite notable.
Honda/Acura has been seemingly replaced by Hyundai/Genesis/Kia in terms of reliability. Funny the difference 5-6 years can make.
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So I have a couple things to say. First, Americans and any others with strong car culture do take cars personal. It is just how some people are; some look at cars as if they are their children. I am not saying this is right or wrong but it is just how it is. Many people spend much of their life in their car, so it is like a traveling home for some people.
Now, my second point. This applies to VW and many other car companies. When people spend THOUSANDS of dollars on their cars they expect reliability to some extent. This is not irrational at all to expect quality from a car company that has been around for years. If the company does not care for reliability and just cares about profit and sweeping problems under the rug they will lose in the long run. This is just how the market is. Never think that any car company is safe from bankruptcy. Anything can happen and most people that spend thousands on cars want Japanese style reliability, especially, if they have a family to haul around. VW needs to improve their quality however, they need to admit there is a problem with it if they ever want to improve.
I am quite disappointed about their status in 2019, they need to try harder.
I've seen your thread on the Hyundai Kona EV. Visually, it looks decent, they didn't make it look like a spaceship. And the Hyundai Veloster N is interesting too. We have way too many choices today to suffer crap product, I'm glad they're doing well.
I'm not quite sold on the Koreans displacing Honda. Maybe they've turned things around- I'll wait and see. But a bunch of little **** on my Optima went wrong that I've never seen on Hondas. Both headlight projectors are burnt out. The wastegate actuator went out of alignment and cut all boost. Rear view camera stopped working etc. I wasn't a victim of this but they also have that huge nasty engine recall. And the driving dynamics are terrible. I still don't know why I bought that damn thing
I know Honda has the 1.5T problems and I've seen some issues with Honda Sensing... but IDK, I still trust Honda over the long term.
I just skimmed this thread. Wow, so much typing.
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It's as simple as this-- I want a 2 door car. VW no longer makes one available in USA. My 4 door golf r looks stupid.
What do you (anybody) think happens to a company that no longer makes a product that you wish to purchase ?
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I am not a VW fanboi, but i think the GTI/GLI/Golf are nice cars. I had a 2013 GTI that was fine for 40k - one bad water pump that i knew was a known issue so when it happened, it happened. I picked up a 2019 GLI and so far its been fine - but there are rattles that i need to hunt down but i also decided to get a first year (ugh) to get the extra warranty. My family has had several Audis, all of them have been decent and none particularly bad.
That said, if you like you car with a dash of performance, the options are really drying up with the demise of the FiST, FoST, Fiat 500, and the death of GM/FCA small cars that might have provided options. What's left at the 30k mark? The Civic Si, WRX, the GTI/GLI, and the Hyundai N series - assuming they keep it and expand that lineup to more than a quirky 3 door hatch. Beyond that, the GTI/GLI are the only handsome and non-boy racers cars in the segment, alongside the R if you want to move up. I very much appreciate the overall packages and lament that there are no adult friendly options.
For the average enthusiast the VW case is strengthened in 2020 with the demise of so many sporty cars. I wish more folks bought the Sportwagen as that was a lovely car that will be missed as well. I know the future is crossovers, but as long as VW makes the GTI/GLI, it will be competitive for me. Wish the Polo GTi would come here since the FiST is gone so they could grab the compact sporty segment as well.
I moved from a 2018 WRX to a 2019 GLI and the difference in dynamics and execution is noticeable. If people think VW is phoning it in, holy crap Subaru has been in a coma.
I totally agree that it's awesome that VW still panders people who care about performance. Even there though, the competition there will give consumers something to think about over the long haul of ownership.
grunching thread but FWIW, i've received 3 class action settlements in the mail over the past couple weeks re: VWs i owned at one point. 2 copies of the water pump settlement for EA888 nonsense and another for tire rotation/replacement nonsense on a '14 CC. i have 0 VWs currently and spent $0 on the above issues so eh.
OTOH, common VW issues over the years are still preferred to something like the Focus/Fiesta transmission nonsense...
It's the continuity of a bad, long history that have hurt brands like Chevy, Ford, VW and others, they have earned their unreliable image by making big blunders on the regular.
The 4 door golf looks exactly the goddamned same as the 2 door golf. I can't fathom why on this planet anybody would prefer a box with camaro-length doors instead of a car with 4 usable doors to access the space you have in the space-efficient box you bought.
It's one thing arguing an LC500 needs to be a coupe for the swooping roofline, but a box on wheels is a box on wheels.
The market segment for a 2 door golf is tiny, which is why they're ditching it, and why almost nobody cares, and it'll do next-to-nothing to sales.
Don't see a lot of 2 door SUVs either, do ya?
(I owned an Mk7 Golf R, it was great).
VW has left the Passat to stank but if you're not going to compete in this market with it then it's actualll wise to not dump resources in it, so give them a pass for that. The looks of the new Jetta and Golf are subjective and thier base are/will be OK with them so that's a win there. VW had the wrong product mix and fixed that by updating one and introduced another, the Tiguan and Atlas. It's just too bad that issues with those two have perpetuated the image they're trying to shake.