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    1. Member r_fostoria's Avatar
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      11-27-2019 11:49 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by abacabdan View Post
      Agreed! A very satisfying click too.
      Ooo, yes. Audi used similar buttons back then but with an excellent "lots of tiny little bumps" texture.




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      11-27-2019 12:05 PM #27
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      I love VW headlight switches.
      As do I.

      I like them heavy enough that they don't need/use a relay. They almost never fail, too.

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      11-27-2019 01:38 PM #28
      I this thread. So many things to think about touching. Click all the things.
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      11-27-2019 01:53 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by zmt2 View Post
      I never knew how cool the mk1 TT heated seat knobs were until recently, so I'm going with that for now:


      (you push the whole thing in like a button and the knob extends out so you can adjust the heating level)
      Never spent much time in an OG TT-- I dig that.

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      11-27-2019 01:54 PM #30
      super simple, but I LOVE the way old Honda switchgear feels, up through about 2005 or so

      Old accord:


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      I love the tactile way things move and click. Just reeks of quality, even down to a DX model Civic.
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      11-27-2019 02:03 PM #31
      turn signal stalk in my 94 Caprice takes a lot of force to activate and makes a loud, unpleasant noise that makes you think it's going to break whenever you use it. not a good feel!

      the starter pedal in the '55 Chevy takes a ton of pressure to engage and makes you feel like you're starting up some industrial grade machinery and not some consumer appliance.

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      11-27-2019 02:09 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by g34343greg View Post
      turn signal stalk in my 94 Caprice takes a lot of force to activate and makes a loud, unpleasant noise that makes you think it's going to break whenever you use it. not a good feel!
      The F-150 I drive for work sometimes has the opposite problem. It sort of mushes into place like a bad rubber dome switch keyboard. I find myself pushing the stalk all the way into the turning position pretty often when I'm just trying to activate the 3 blink lane change function.

      My old BMW had excellent turn signals though. The handle was plastic, but stalk itself was metal. This was also true of the wiper and the cruise controls stalks.

      Last edited by r_fostoria; 11-27-2019 at 02:11 PM.

    9. 11-27-2019 02:16 PM #33
      Did the Porsche Experience at Limerock a couple months ago and tracked the 992 4S. Couldn't get over how these felt...


    10. 11-27-2019 02:21 PM #34
      Great thread!

      I have been saying this for years. All these screens are terrible.

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      11-27-2019 02:56 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Zingerman View Post
      Did the Porsche Experience at Limerock a couple months ago and tracked the 992 4S. Couldn't get over how these felt...

      Those look great. Even with the screen there, those are some nice buttons.
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    12. 11-27-2019 04:08 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by HarryC View Post
      super simple, but I LOVE the way old Honda switchgear feels, up through about 2005 or so

      Old accord:


      S2k:


      I love the tactile way things move and click. Just reeks of quality, even down to a DX model Civic.
      I agree, plus the placement of the buttons are A1. when i get into some others cars the layouts feel busy Soichiro did well

    13. 11-27-2019 04:34 PM #37
      I always loved the headlight and washer levers on my AW11:


    14. 11-27-2019 05:01 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      Those look great. Even with the screen there, those are some nice buttons.
      There are 3 more at the bottom for the HVAC controls. Beautiful as well. Compared to the 991, the 992 is significantly improved in my opinion.


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      11-27-2019 05:55 PM #39
      Did someone say rocker switches?
      signatures are annoying, right?

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      11-27-2019 06:06 PM #40
      When the control module in my Lexus crapped out I had no access to radio or AC/Heat controls. No redundancy meant one failure cascaded to multiple systems so stupid.

      As to what is my favorite switch, I think the Mercedes cruise control stalk (not sure if new ones are like this with distronic) is hands down the best cruise control switch 3var (much better than the rocker switch placed on the steering wheels of most cars).
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      11-27-2019 06:15 PM #41
      Always loved the satisfying clunk you get from pulling the transfer case selector in an XJ. It was a very analog and mechanical feeling to yank it into 4X4.
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    20. 11-27-2019 08:05 PM #44
      Could operate by feel without looking.


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      11-27-2019 09:34 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by StressStrain View Post
      OP, I take your point about the value of tactile user input..but would you really rather have the sea of buttons below?

      My point is, it's easy to look back to when there were very few inputs into the user interface, so the UI could be very simple. But the complexity of the modern car means there are a lot more functions to account for in the UI. And that's were the contextual sensitivity of a configurable touch screen becomes very valuable.

      Agreed. I’ll take a touch screen over a sea of 90s era buttons every day.

      I don’t currently own one, but I think Dodge/Ram/Chrysler does the best job of mixing the U-Connect and real buttons.


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    22. 11-27-2019 09:50 PM #46
      but that sea of buttons is tactile - muscle memory will solve it eventually, even if it's kind of icky to look at.
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      11-27-2019 10:10 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by fortyfive1911a1 View Post
      Agreed. I’ll take a touch screen over a sea of 90s era buttons every day.
      The key is to not try and fit an entire RadioShack into the dashboard, though that's certainly not going to sell many cars anymore.

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      11-28-2019 01:33 AM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by Silly_me View Post
      As to what is my favorite switch, I think the Mercedes cruise control stalk (not sure if new ones are like this with distronic) is hands down the best cruise control switch 3var (much better than the rocker switch placed on the steering wheels of most cars).
      Agreed, my Passat has a cruise stalk and it’s so much easier and intuitive to operate. Pull to engage or resume, lift up to speed up 5mph, push down to slow down 5mph, one button on the end to set, and push one stop to cancel or two stops to turn it off. Plus if cruise is already engaged you can pull again to increase speed by 1mph or push the set button to decrease by 1mph. All ready to do without looking or even taking your hand off the wheel. Dedicated controls FTW.
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      11-28-2019 12:13 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by fortyfive1911a1 View Post
      Agreed. I’ll take a touch screen over a sea of 90s era buttons every day.

      I don’t currently own one, but I think Dodge/Ram/Chrysler does the best job of mixing the U-Connect and real buttons.
      The entire point of tactile buttons and knobs over touch screens is to make it as close to intuitive as possible and to find tertiary controls quickly. The “sea of buttons” in so many cars of that era are dismal failures in the regard and should in no way be considered a yardstick.
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      11-28-2019 12:52 PM #50
      I thought it was pretty cool they made the Chiron without a lot of screens to keep it "timeless".
      signatures are annoying, right?

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