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      11-08-2019 02:32 PM #26
      Its the 964 I find myself staring at pictures of all the time. I mean really.. all the damn time.

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      11-08-2019 02:40 PM #27
      i hear 930s are easy enough to take care of

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      11-08-2019 02:48 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Itgb View Post
      I've always had a soft spot for 993s. The problem is these are approaching $80-100k aren't they?
      Nah, to hit that high you are either in really low miles, a widebody S (like your picture) or something other than a base coupe.

      driver-quality base coupes with <75k miles seem to be in the $40-60k range all day long on BaT, according to my casual stalking.
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      11-08-2019 03:34 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by MylesPH1 View Post
      Nobody could argue that you’d go “wrong” with a G50 Carrera. But as an ownership proposition, a lot of the specialists I talk to love the 911SC’s, from ‘78 to ‘83, because they’re dead reliable - well, as far as 40 year old cars go, anyway. Not the quickest, true, but you really don’t notice it when you drive, it’s such a nicely balanced piece.

      A 915 transmission that’s not worn out isn’t as awful as people make them out to be. Totally in character, it just requires getting used to it, like the rest of a rear-engined air cooled car. And the ‘83 SC I drove with the Wevo upgrade was the best shifter feel I’ve ever experienced - it was like cocking a bolt action rifle at every gear change.
      I'm with Myles here. The SC is the one I'd choose out of all of them. Just an amazingly visceral car to drive. Like my 2.7 S was, but more reliable and just enough more power to be perfect.

      I really miss both these cars, but that mildly modded 2.7 coupe was special.

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      11-08-2019 03:40 PM #30
      Not arguing, but what does an SC do that's better than a 3.2? Aren't they basically the same aside from the more powerful engine in the Carrera?
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      11-08-2019 03:47 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Not arguing, but what does an SC do that's better than a 3.2? Aren't they basically the same aside from the more powerful engine in the Carrera?
      About the same. Back in the day, I know a number of people that swapped in 3.2s into the cheaper SCs (and earlier cars) to get the added midrange power. But really that's about it. The 3.0s tend to be rock solid reliable with a number of them that are used for track days hitting 300k miles as daily drivers too. And they rev a touch quicker (though not as quick as the earlier 2.7 or 2.0 cars).

      And the SC driving feel is a bit more raw, and a bit more mechanically connected, though that could just be a placebo effect.. lol! The 3.2 Carreras are good cars and anything that was wrong with them from the factory has either been fixed already or can easily BE fixed at this point (same with the earlier cars. My 2.7 had, for example, the later Carrera chain tensioners and oiling system added, which was a cheap fix for that engine, and most of them will have had that done by now...)
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      11-08-2019 04:12 PM #32
      A factory bone stock G50 car doesn't really make me moist, if it's been worked over with some hot rodding then yeah I get interested.

      The 964 is the best sorted version of the "early" 911 cars and you'd be able to spend some time driving it without feeling beaten up.

      The 993 is where it's at if you want a really nice touring car. It's a little "softer" in most ways, even the driving dynamics. Cushy feeling compared to the earlier stuff. And the Varioram cars really wake up the natural aspiration.

      The trouble with the earlier cars is in order for them to shine you really need to keep them "on boil" when driving. Sweet spot is 4K rpm onward. So that's pretty tough to do on public roads in any reasonable fashion. A lot of people drive them and say "what's the big deal?" only because they haven't really had the chance to beat on it corner to corner high in the revs.

      If I had to pick a track only car or track focused, SC or 964 with suspension and power upgrades for the engine.

      If I had to pick a street only Sunday car it would be the 993 all day. Specifically the 993 Targa with the right exhaust on a cool fall day with the roof open and the varioram wailing away behind you. That's a special kind of car to drive and relax in.
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      yes, i am bored by FWD driving dynamics, and anyone who doesn't drive there cars to the limits and the beyond.

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      11-08-2019 04:35 PM #33
      993 used to be my favorite until a few years ago when the 964 took the top spot. The 964 RSA is basically my dream car, but I'd "settle" for a base 964 C2. In recent months though, I'm really warming up to the G-bodies, especially one with back-dated bumpers (purists will hate you). The impact bumpers always bothered me on the G-body 911.

      This one currently on BaT has me doing double takes:


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      11-08-2019 05:16 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
      A factory bone stock G50 car doesn't really make me moist, if it's been worked over with some hot rodding then yeah I get interested.
      I haven't been in one for a long time, I just love the look and the simplicity. It's the first 911 I remember as a kid. I don't really care about performance, if I got one at some point it would just be a fun driving around car.

      The 964 is the best sorted version of the "early" 911 cars and you'd be able to spend some time driving it without feeling beaten up.

      The 993 is where it's at if you want a really nice touring car. It's a little "softer" in most ways, even the driving dynamics. Cushy feeling compared to the earlier stuff. And the Varioram cars really wake up the natural aspiration.

      The trouble with the earlier cars is in order for them to shine you really need to keep them "on boil" when driving. Sweet spot is 4K rpm onward. So that's pretty tough to do on public roads in any reasonable fashion. A lot of people drive them and say "what's the big deal?" only because they haven't really had the chance to beat on it corner to corner high in the revs.

      If I had to pick a track only car or track focused, SC or 964 with suspension and power upgrades for the engine.

      If I had to pick a street only Sunday car it would be the 993 all day. Specifically the 993 Targa with the right exhaust on a cool fall day with the roof open and the varioram wailing away behind you. That's a special kind of car to drive and relax in.
      It's all just daydreaming at this point. For extra fun, you could sprinkle a 930 into the mix too
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      11-08-2019 06:00 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      I haven't been in one for a long time, I just love the look and the simplicity. It's the first 911 I remember as a kid. I don't really care about performance, if I got one at some point it would just be a fun driving around car.



      It's all just daydreaming at this point. For extra fun, you could sprinkle a 930 into the mix too
      My honest opinion about a 930?

      The way those cars drive they're too fast for public road usage to be truly enjoyed. You can launch the car and by the time you're shifting to 2nd gear you've already broken the speed limit in the 5spd cars.

      A naturally aspirated 911 you can at least wind it out on a backroad and get an opportunity to explore the rev range and enjoy it.

      The 930 isn't even all that powerful by today's standards, but it's still a fast car. It's also surprisingly comfortable for a long drive. That's one of the better things about any 911, they're comfortable and don't beat you up. Obviously the newer cars are better in this department but overall they're enjoyable.

      As a novelty they're all fun. But to enjoy pure driving experiences in them it takes a bit more work and risk.
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      yes, i am bored by FWD driving dynamics, and anyone who doesn't drive there cars to the limits and the beyond.

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      11-08-2019 06:26 PM #36
      A June build 1984 Carrera Targa. There are some technological improvements for the 1984MY which you can read here...

      https://www.pca.org/news/2017-10-20/...he-911-carrera

      ..but really it's because I want to own a car that's exactly as old as I am.
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      11-08-2019 06:49 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Not arguing, but what does an SC do that's better than a 3.2? Aren't they basically the same aside from the more powerful engine in the Carrera?
      They have a reputation for being a bit more robust than the Carreras.. but again, at their age, it’s not a sure thing that any example of an SC you buy will be a better bet than any Carrera. At this point, more than ever, it’s just buying the best cared-for 911 you can afford, and SC’s are on average more affordable, and less troublesome.

      My buddy has an ‘83 SC that has 237k, battle scarred, couple minor scrapes here and there, cracked dash - but full suspension, RE-71 R track tires, Wevo shifter, cams and exhaust.. and if you like AC cars, you just want to drive the thing cross country on every back road you can find. Between the noise and the feedback, it’s like a drug.




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      11-08-2019 07:47 PM #38
      I do love the 3.0l SC more than the 3.2l Carrera motor. It's blast to wring it out and throw it around. It's like a 930 with 60% less danger.

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      11-08-2019 09:35 PM #39
      I also dwell in the land of hypothetical 911 shopping. Loving the discussion.

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      11-08-2019 10:13 PM #40
      If I'm buying an aircooled 911 I don't give a rats ass how well the AC works, if that matters then the car isn't for you.

      With that being said, I'm buying a grey market 930.
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      11-08-2019 11:36 PM #41
      Funny you mention it as I was also casually looking again today and found the exact spec I want: Guards Red '87 Targa:

      https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1160845

      Wondering how much lower he'll go with the price...

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      11-08-2019 11:58 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      If I'm buying an aircooled 911 I don't give a rats ass how well the AC works, if that matters then the car isn't for you.

      With that being said, I'm buying a grey market 930.
      Eh I’m a big boy and I sweat. Working A/C is the difference between taking the car some days and not taking it. It’s not a race car, it needs to be reasonably comfy to drive. Doesn’t have to be a caddy, but you know.
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      11-09-2019 12:20 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Eh I’m a big boy and I sweat. Working A/C is the difference between taking the car some days and not taking it. It’s not a race car, it needs to be reasonably comfy to drive. Doesn’t have to be a caddy, but you know.
      I get it.

      In the chance I own an older 911 I’d probably already have a newer car that’s fun and has great AC, so the 911 wouldn’t be something I’d ever take out to drive with the windows rolled up.
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      11-09-2019 12:39 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Eh I’m a big boy and I sweat.
      You cultivating mass, bro?

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      11-09-2019 12:42 AM #45
      I've lusted after 993 for decades. Kicking myself for not picking one up when they were much cheaper around 2005.
      signatures are annoying, right?

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      11-09-2019 01:28 AM #46
      Obviously biased with my 993, however tough to beat! Still old school. Still small and raw, however comfortable on long trips and really very reliable! Having said that, I would love an old SC or 3.2 Carrera as well!




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      11-09-2019 02:01 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post
      yea or more. you can find ones in 50-60, but it just depends on a lot of porsche nerd factors
      The 993 market is softening. I've seen some "driver" 6-speed cars (130-40k, stone chips, some wear in the interior) go for high $30s lately. An S like the one pictured in the same condition is probably in the 50s.

      BaT is probably a good gauge of things. This 121k mile 6-speed car sold for $37.5k last month:



      This 47k mile car sold for $40k in September:



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      11-09-2019 02:13 AM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      If I'm buying an aircooled 911 I don't give a rats ass how well the AC works, if that matters then the car isn't for you.

      With that being said, I'm buying a grey market 930.
      This man knows what's up .

      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Eh I’m a big boy and I sweat. Working A/C is the difference between taking the car some days and not taking it. It’s not a race car, it needs to be reasonably comfy to drive. Doesn’t have to be a caddy, but you know.
      This is part of the reason I've lost 43 lbs in the last 2.5 months. That and it makes getting through the rollcage soooooo much easier

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      11-09-2019 02:16 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by VadGTI View Post
      This man knows what's up .



      This is part of the reason I've lost 43 lbs in the last 2.5 months. That and it makes getting through the rollcage soooooo much easier

      This guy gets it.
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      11-09-2019 02:42 AM #50
      The best one will be the one you end up with in your garage. I want one more on the simple side.

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