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    1. Member Dandbest's Avatar
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      11-06-2019 02:49 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Beater with a heater and craigslist snow tires an option?
      It is, its just that most sub $2k beaters are, like, super beaters.

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      11-06-2019 02:50 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by oidoglr View Post
      Where does this perception come from? I've plowed right through more than a foot deep snow just fine in my S4 that's tucking tire under the fender.
      Dude, in what world is an S4 and an M3 winter performance even remotely comparable?



      An M3 is not doing that

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      11-06-2019 02:52 PM #28
      It'll be fine, just go with narrow tires. Probably something like 245s square. My Z06 was fine on 235/45/18 square Michelin PA4s in hilly northern PA and I expect my 86 to be even better on 205/50/17s with a little more ground clearance. I drove the Z06 through 5-6" of snow no problem.

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      11-06-2019 02:53 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by oidoglr View Post
      Where does this perception come from? I've plowed right through more than a foot deep snow just fine in my S4 that's tucking tire under the fender.


      I mean.. we do have AWD for that, and that certainly helps compared to his M3's RWD.. But yea? Easily get through snow. I never got stuck in that car..

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      11-06-2019 02:56 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Dandbest View Post
      Hello all,

      For the first time in years, I have no "winter car". The Rabbit GTi was suppose to be that, but it had some issues and VW bought it back. Anyway, that leaves me with my 1998 M3, which sits in the garage and does not go out in rain let alone snow. That leaves me with my 2018 M3 which is my daily driver. Honestly, with the 20 inch wheels and competition package, its not the best daily for NYC roads, but that's another thread. I'm trying to figure out if snow tires are worth the $1800 tirerack wants, or will the car be just as stuck either way. I've entertained the idea of a beater, but frankly, $2k doesn't buy you much around here, and then there is insurance and upkeep... so that's not happening. Anyone have first hand experience?

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      In response to this and the clearance part about being low. My86 is my only car and with snows and the LSD I can go everywhere I need to unless its super deep. The M3 will be very good in the snow with proper tires .

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      11-06-2019 03:03 PM #31
      What tires are on the car now? Obviously dedicated snow tires are best, but since you're in NYC can you take the train when you need to get somewhere in the winter? The only issue I'd see is if the factory tires are summers rather than some kind of HP A/S. You absolutely should not drive summers in freezing temps regardless of snow because they could be damaged.

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      11-06-2019 03:18 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      What tires are on the car now? Obviously dedicated snow tires are best, but since you're in NYC can you take the train when you need to get somewhere in the winter? The only issue I'd see is if the factory tires are summers rather than some kind of HP A/S. You absolutely should not drive summers in freezing temps regardless of snow because they could be damaged.
      It's an M3 with the competition package, they are summers

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      11-06-2019 03:22 PM #33
      If it's got LSD you don't need snow tires.
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      11-06-2019 03:38 PM #34
      I've had snow tires and they are WELL worth it. TireRack quoted about 2k for a wheel/Tire package for the M3. You might be able to find some craigslist/similar rims, then get snows tires for them. Probably the most cost effective option.

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      11-06-2019 03:50 PM #35
      Just ordered a set of Alpin PA4 for my little M, going to see how it works out. I couldn't get myself to buy a set of winter wheels like people do over here. The main problem is that I don't want to buy wheels that I don't like. So I'm putting the PA4 on the stock wheels and will deal with getting a proper set of wheels in 5 months when the summer tires will be good again

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      11-06-2019 03:54 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      Dude, in what world is an S4 and an M3 winter performance even remotely comparable?



      An M3 is not doing that
      I just see and hear more people think that you need to have ground clearance to get through snow, as though it sticks to the front of the car, building up infinitely like a snow plow would instead of going through the snow.

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      11-06-2019 03:57 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      If it's got LSD you don't need snow tires.
      Yeah, trust the guy from *check notes* Arkansas.

      You do need proper ice tires with RWD, but with those + the LSD you'll do fine.

      Just for fun, I took my MSM in 2 inches of slushy snow today and a few days ago, I had issues but it'll cut through it once I have the ice tires on it. Despite the tires being virtually new I wouldn't go anywhere with it and I still got stuck on the driveway's slope from a stop.

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      11-06-2019 04:05 PM #38
      Also I'll be putting 2 17" ice tires I have lying around on the Focus. Yes it'll be mismatched, don't @ me, I blame Ford for not offering an LSD.
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      11-06-2019 04:05 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by 88c900t View Post
      Yeah, trust the guy from *check notes* Arkansas.
      Hey now, we get over 10" of snow per year.
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      11-06-2019 04:13 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by oidoglr View Post
      I just see and hear more people think that you need to have ground clearance to get through snow, as though it sticks to the front of the car, building up infinitely like a snow plow would instead of going through the snow.
      Fair enough. In this scenario the problem isn't clearance, it's traction


      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      If it's got LSD you don't need snow tires.
      Oh jeez. Replace AWD with LSD in the above sentence and it sounds like most people.
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      11-06-2019 04:18 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      Fair enough. In this scenario the problem isn't clearance, it's traction
      Don't get carried away here, I've had plenty of clearance before and still had issues with too much traction. You want to feel what your up against, but not too much.

      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells
      Oh jeez. Replace AWD with LSD in the above sentence and it sounds like most people.
      If you have AWD and a LSD you don't even need all seasons, the transmission will slow the car down.
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      11-06-2019 04:30 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      Don't get carried away here, I've had plenty of clearance before and still had issues with too much traction. You want to feel what your up against, but not too much.



      If you have AWD and a LSD you don't even need all seasons, the transmission will slow the car down.



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      11-06-2019 04:54 PM #43
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      11-06-2019 05:19 PM #44
      This doesn't look too bad for $2K, isn't too far from you.

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      11-06-2019 05:24 PM #45
      I don't see why you don't get another new car to replace the rabbit.

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      11-06-2019 05:26 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      If it's got LSD you don't need snow tires.
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      Don't get carried away here, I've had plenty of clearance before and still had issues with too much traction. You want to feel what your up against, but not too much.



      If you have AWD and a LSD you don't even need all seasons, the transmission will slow the car down.
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    23. 11-06-2019 05:27 PM #47
      M3 on winter tires will be a blast. I'd even venture that high performance winter tires would be fine - I don't think heavy snow accumulation in NYC is terribly severe most of the time, as I suspect things get cleared pretty quickly.

      I run gnarlier snow tires on 18" Camaro wheels with the SS. We have the highest average snowfall (~100") for large cities in the US, so it pays to be more aggressive.


      RWD, tires and an LSD?





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      11-06-2019 06:19 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by 88c900t View Post
      Yeah, trust the guy from *check notes* Arkansas.

      You do need proper ice tires with RWD, but with those + the LSD you'll do fine.

      Just for fun, I took my MSM in 2 inches of slushy snow today and a few days ago, I had issues but it'll cut through it once I have the ice tires on it. Despite the tires being virtually new I wouldn't go anywhere with it and I still got stuck on the driveway's slope from a stop.

      yeah, its a reference to an old thread where someone was saying that RWD is fine if it has LSD, so it became a thing

      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      Don't get carried away here, I've had plenty of clearance before and still had issues with too much traction. You want to feel what your up against, but not too much.



      If you have AWD and a LSD you don't even need all seasons, the transmission will slow the car down.
      absolutely

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      Quote Originally Posted by BlackMiata View Post
      This doesn't look too bad for $2K, isn't too far from you.

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      This looks like it needs one of everything, pretty much immediately.

      Quote Originally Posted by ikonomore View Post
      I don't see why you don't get another new car to replace the rabbit.

      You had both BMW's before the rabbit, right?

      Just buy another car.
      That has crossed my mind, and it is something I may do, it just seems silly for a couple of months per year

      Quote Originally Posted by Pushrods View Post
      M3 on winter tires will be a blast. I'd even venture that high performance winter tires would be fine - I don't think heavy snow accumulation in NYC is terribly severe most of the time, as I suspect things get cleared pretty quickly.

      I run gnarlier snow tires on 18" Camaro wheels with the SS. We have the highest average snowfall (~100") for large cities in the US, so it pays to be more aggressive.


      RWD, tires and an LSD?





      This sure looks like fun!

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      11-06-2019 07:12 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Pushrods View Post
      M3 on winter tires will be a blast. I'd even venture that high performance winter tires would be fine - I don't think heavy snow accumulation in NYC is terribly severe most of the time, as I suspect things get cleared pretty quickly.

      I run gnarlier snow tires on 18" Camaro wheels with the SS. We have the highest average snowfall (~100") for large cities in the US, so it pays to be more aggressive.


      RWD, tires and an LSD?






      My rears won't get me through the season and I'm debating if I want to go with more performance winters or just grab some studless snows. Longevity of studless snows on the M3 legit worries me as I could barely get through a season with a set of Blizzak WS80's on the drive wheels on the GTI. I'm definitely in the mountains enough to get the more snow focused tires to pay off, but all the 60+ degree days that we'll get when I'm not in the mountains will do a number on them, especially with the way I drive.

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      11-06-2019 07:22 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by fknlo View Post
      Yeah, they're worth it. I wish my winter set were 18's for slightly cheaper operating costs, but it works.
      Totally agree--19s are painfully expensive.







      I'll drive the F80 in the winter if it's cold, but I bought another car last week for when we get actual snow:


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