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      11-06-2019 01:25 PM #1
      Hello all,

      For the first time in years, I have no "winter car". The Rabbit GTi was suppose to be that, but it had some issues and VW bought it back. Anyway, that leaves me with my 1998 M3, which sits in the garage and does not go out in rain let alone snow. That leaves me with my 2018 M3 which is my daily driver. Honestly, with the 20 inch wheels and competition package, its not the best daily for NYC roads, but that's another thread. I'm trying to figure out if snow tires are worth the $1800 tirerack wants, or will the car be just as stuck either way. I've entertained the idea of a beater, but frankly, $2k doesn't buy you much around here, and then there is insurance and upkeep... so that's not happening. Anyone have first hand experience?

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      11-06-2019 01:27 PM #2
      I had Blizzaks on my E46 M3 and it was pretty great in the snow. It was definitely worth the peace of mind as it was my daily driver and we got snow often enough.

      Even with no snow, it was just better all around on winter tires in freezing temps. Summer tires and anything below freezing felt a bit sketchy.

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      11-06-2019 01:30 PM #3
      cost of most expensive snows < cost of any fender bender.
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      11-06-2019 01:33 PM #4
      Yeah, they're worth it. I wish my winter set were 18's for slightly cheaper operating costs, but it works.


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      11-06-2019 01:34 PM #5
      I drive all winter in my Cayman with snow tires - absolutely worth it. You will be way less stuck
      In fact, I feel more confident with my snow tires on the cayman than I would in an AWD with all-seasons. The key is to take turns very, very smoothly and slowly - no accelerating mid corner and you won't spin out
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      11-06-2019 01:35 PM #6
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      11-06-2019 01:37 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Dandbest View Post
      Hello all,

      For the first time in years, I have no "winter car". The Rabbit GTi was suppose to be that, but it had some issues and VW bought it back. Anyway, that leaves me with my 1998 M3, which sits in the garage and does not go out in rain let alone snow. That leaves me with my 2018 M3 which is my daily driver. Honestly, with the 20 inch wheels and competition package, its not the best daily for NYC roads, but that's another thread. I'm trying to figure out if snow tires are worth the $1800 tirerack wants, or will the car be just as stuck either way. I've entertained the idea of a beater, but frankly, $2k doesn't buy you much around here, and then there is insurance and upkeep... so that's not happening. Anyone have first hand experience?

      Thanks,
      Danny
      Totally worth it. It isn't just about snow, but also temperature. We have dedicated snow wheels and tires on our daily drivers, and it is astonishing how much of a difference it makes. Our Highlander was worthless in the snow on its no-seasons. After installing Blizzaks (-1), it is a whole different beast.

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      11-06-2019 01:38 PM #8
      The car straight up needs winter tires but I wouldn't put them on those 20" stock wheels, they're must be a half decent 18 or 19 option that would work and you won't beat the crap out of your nice wheels.

      Of course you could always buy a $5k winter beater too.

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      11-06-2019 01:39 PM #9
      Can you get fit wheels, like 17s or 18s on the car?
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      11-06-2019 01:42 PM #10
      I daily my 2015 M3 in the winter and have a set of 18" winters (Verderstein tires.) Went with a square setup (245/40R18.) It's pretty easy to get around in all but the worst conditions. I wouldn't dream of driving it on the summers in the winter.

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      11-06-2019 01:48 PM #11
      The car won't be the best vehicle in the world in snow, but it will be vastly better than if you were running the standard summer tires. The temps alone would make it worth the change. Before we got the jeep, I used the m3 in the winter on occassion and bought a set of used winter wheels and tires. Even when worn, the snow tires were much better than summer tires.

      There's no point in risking catastrophe, just get the winters.

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      11-06-2019 01:57 PM #12
      Guess I should clarify. I'm a believer in winter tires. We have a dedicated set for my wife's GTI and between FWD and snow tires, the thing is great. My concern with the M3 was that its really low and I don't feel great about spending $1800 for wheels/tires from tirerack (which are 18s) just to find out I'm not going anywhere anyway.


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      11-06-2019 02:01 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Dandbest View Post
      Guess I should clarify. I'm a believer in winter tires. We have a dedicated set for my wife's GTI and between FWD and snow tires, the thing is great. My concern with the M3 was that its really low and I don't feel great about spending $1800 for wheels/tires from tirerack (which are 18s) just to find out I'm not going anywhere anyway.
      Well, I can tell you that anyone here will disagree with that sentiment It makes a world of difference.
      The "really low" aspect - well, there's nothing you can do about that. It will plow in real deep snow - but in anything under that you most certainly wont be stuck. I've driven through a 2-3in. covered parking lot in my Cayman without any issues.
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      11-06-2019 02:06 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Dandbest View Post
      Guess I should clarify. I'm a believer in winter tires. We have a dedicated set for my wife's GTI and between FWD and snow tires, the thing is great. My concern with the M3 was that its really low and I don't feel great about spending $1800 for wheels/tires from tirerack (which are 18s) just to find out I'm not going anywhere anyway.

      Why not look for a used set of winter wheels/tires? And if you plan on going through deep unplowed snow you simply have the wrong car.

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      11-06-2019 02:10 PM #15
      OP, yes, if it were me I'd go for it. If more than a little snow, preferably studless as opposed to performance. It won't be amazing (and even xDrive with its rear bias on these cars isn't amazing), but based on how our F22 xDrive does with snow tires I don't think an F80 will be unusable at all, even if it's RWD it's a bigger car, and does have a diff.

      Quote Originally Posted by iliveoncaffiene View Post
      I drive all winter in my Cayman with snow tires - absolutely worth it. You will be way less stuck
      In fact, I feel more confident with my snow tires on the cayman than I would in an AWD with all-seasons. The key is to take turns very, very smoothly and slowly - no accelerating mid corner and you won't spin out
      Sorry to threadjack, but do you mind sharing what setup you have and if you like it? I'm thinking about the OEM 18" package, but like anything Porsche it's $$.
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      11-06-2019 02:10 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Dandbest View Post
      Guess I should clarify. I'm a believer in winter tires. We have a dedicated set for my wife's GTI and between FWD and snow tires, the thing is great. My concern with the M3 was that its really low and I don't feel great about spending $1800 for wheels/tires from tirerack (which are 18s) just to find out I'm not going anywhere anyway.
      It'll be great. In my youth, I drove a VERY low MKII that I fitted with some lovely nokian winters, and that thing didn't care. The snow could be up to the bottom of the front bumper and it would just shove it aside. Only when the snow was intensely wet AND deep did I notice much of an issue. With modern TC, and more power, your M3 will be legendary. In fact, I envy that you'll be having so much fun as I sit in my dad mobile unable to even fully defeat my TC so I can do donuts.

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      11-06-2019 02:13 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by 6cylVWguy View Post
      Why not look for a used set of winter wheels/tires? And if you plan on going through deep unplowed snow you simply have the wrong car.

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      Over at bimmerpost there is nothing local, and most people want around $1500 anyway, and I'd have to go pick them up, so not worth the effort when a new set is $300 more.
      Where I live the snow isn't horrible, once you get to the main road which is only 3 blocks away. A few years ago we had one storm where my wifes car was stuck, and my CRV barely made it. That's not the norm, so maybe I'm overthinking this and should just go buy a set from tirerack and see what happens. In retrospect, I shouldn't have sold that old CRV I had, it was perfect for crappy weather and not giving a crap where you park.

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      11-06-2019 02:14 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Dandbest View Post
      Guess I should clarify. I'm a believer in winter tires. We have a dedicated set for my wife's GTI and between FWD and snow tires, the thing is great. My concern with the M3 was that its really low and I don't feel great about spending $1800 for wheels/tires from tirerack (which are 18s) just to find out I'm not going anywhere anyway.
      Well you're not going to be going anywhere in 6" of loose, fluffy snow. Or maybe not even up little hills on 1" of packed snow - But if you even want to go anywhere when roads are cleared, or with a light dusting, or possible patches of ice, you want a winter setup.

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      11-06-2019 02:17 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Dandbest View Post
      Over at bimmerpost there is nothing local, and most people want around $1500 anyway, and I'd have to go pick them up, so not worth the effort when a new set is $300 more.
      Where I live the snow isn't horrible, once you get to the main road which is only 3 blocks away. A few years ago we had one storm where my wifes car was stuck, and my CRV barely made it. That's not the norm, so maybe I'm overthinking this and should just go buy a set from tirerack and see what happens. In retrospect, I shouldn't have sold that old CRV I had, it was perfect for crappy weather and not giving a crap where you park.
      You essentially recoup some cost as well in time that you're not wearing down your summer tires.
      I somewhat agree with you - stop overthinking it and just get them. There's no reason to handicap yourself and risk a preventable accident just for short term costs.
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      11-06-2019 02:21 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by iliveoncaffiene View Post
      You essentially recoup some cost as well in time that you're not wearing down your summer tires.
      I somewhat agree with you - stop overthinking it and just get them. There's no reason to handicap yourself and risk a preventable accident just for short term costs.
      Oh, I wasn't even considering trying to drive it on the summer tires. I'll either buy snow tires or another car all together. I'm just trying to decide which way to go.

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      11-06-2019 02:23 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      Well you're not going to be going anywhere in 6" of loose, fluffy snow. Or maybe not even up little hills on 1" of packed snow - But if you even want to go anywhere when roads are cleared, or with a light dusting, or possible patches of ice, you want a winter setup.
      good to know, thanks

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      11-06-2019 02:24 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Dandbest View Post
      Over at bimmerpost there is nothing local, and most people want around $1500 anyway, and I'd have to go pick them up, so not worth the effort when a new set is $300 more.
      Where I live the snow isn't horrible, once you get to the main road which is only 3 blocks away. A few years ago we had one storm where my wifes car was stuck, and my CRV barely made it. That's not the norm, so maybe I'm overthinking this and should just go buy a set from tirerack and see what happens. In retrospect, I shouldn't have sold that old CRV I had, it was perfect for crappy weather and not giving a crap where you park.
      Gotcha, makes sense. There's only so much one can do with a performance car in the snow, but with the right tires the capabilities are markedly increased. And as you note, you can buy a new winter set and sell them later without losing a ton.

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      11-06-2019 02:30 PM #23
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      11-06-2019 02:35 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy Russells View Post
      Well you're not going to be going anywhere in 6" of loose, fluffy snow. Or maybe not even up little hills on 1" of packed snow - But if you even want to go anywhere when roads are cleared, or with a light dusting, or possible patches of ice, you want a winter setup.
      Where does this perception come from? I've plowed right through more than a foot deep snow just fine in my S4 that's tucking tire under the fender.

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      11-06-2019 02:39 PM #25
      Get 18" winter performance tires, which are not "snow tires". I had Pirelli Sottozero Serie II on my RS4 while I lived in Salt Lake City, and they're perfect. They'll get you going AND stop you in everything but ice, but they still handle close to summers (during the summer). In other words, you can still drive and push your M3 when the temps drop below 40.


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