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      12-04-2019 10:14 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by antilock View Post
      Still stuck with one vehicle that's nice to look at.

      True, and it still looks good after all these years. If Fisker came out that SUV first though, they'd be a company I could easily ignore.

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      12-04-2019 10:24 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Car_Guy View Post
      I placed my deposit on a Fisker Ocean, using the new Fisker App. $250 to hold a place in line. Yes, it’s not until 2022, but that’s just around the corner, car-wise.
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      12-04-2019 10:35 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Smooremin View Post
      Because people (companies) are using a dietary lifestyle to market a steering wheel


      “My seat is made from fast food materials.”


      It’s ridiculous.


      Just sat materials created from sustainable materials. Don’t try to get points by using the overtly over the top Vegan community.


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      "Vegetarian" is the dietary lifestyle, but vegetarians can still choose to wear leather or other animal derived products.
      "Veganism" is the general philosophy of not using animals for their flesh, skin, eggs, or any other by-products.

      Also, why is any of this "over the top"?
      Why be mad at people choosing not to consume/wear another living creature?

      (I am not vegan or vegetarian, BTW)

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      12-04-2019 10:43 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by rich! View Post
      ditto
      How do you feel about buying a car from a "new" manufacturer, or in the case of Fisker, as start-up with a history of failure on its record?
      I am not criticizing the company, the car, or your purchase decision.
      I just don't think I'd have the courage to make a major purchase from a company that is new. (What if the company goes under? What happens to the resale value/warranty/etc...?)

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      12-04-2019 10:51 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Car_Guy View Post
      Vegan is what the kids want these days... everything sustainable! No steak in your EV!

      Funny addendum: I head from the company after my deposit/reservation. According to their Artificial Intelligence marketing system, the system listed me as a "chronic car enthusiast"

      Chronic! My wife might agree.
      Load that sucker up with 100 lbs of Costco steaks!

    7. 12-04-2019 10:52 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Car_Guy View Post
      I placed my deposit on a Fisker Ocean, using the new Fisker App. $250 to hold a place in line. Yes, it’s not until 2022, but that’s just around the corner, car-wise.

      Fisker is seeking to be something different this time: a”mobility” provider. They are targeting a $379/mo “subscription”, with $2999 down and 30,000 miles a year! Free maintenance and you can turn the car in at any time to cancel the subscription. It’s a wildly different model which should appeal to people who really don’t want to own the car. The App will be the central platform for drivers, offering everything from insurance to delivery and maintenance. IMO, it’s a first step toward an app that could be used for other things like driverless ride sharing, etc.
      This all sounds great. Congrats on the deposit, Dave and keep us informed as to how things go. You and me are some of the few on here who are Fisker fans.

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      12-04-2019 11:00 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      "Vegetarian" is the dietary lifestyle, but vegetarians can still choose to wear leather or other animal derived products.
      "Veganism" is the general philosophy of not using animals for their flesh, skin, eggs, or any other by-products.

      Also, why is any of this "over the top"?
      Why be mad at people choosing not to consume/wear another living creature?

      (I am not vegan or vegetarian, BTW)
      Has anyone ever listed their interior as Carnivorous?

      Of all of the hundreds of thousands of cars ever produced and marketed with leather interior, has that ever been a tag line?

      Why do you have to bring in this movement /title of Vegan into the marking of an automobile??



      This is turning into more of a discussion that I wanted, but it proves that people LOVE to talk about being or something is Vegan.
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      12-04-2019 11:05 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Smooremin View Post
      Has anyone ever listed their interior as Carnivorous?

      Of all of the hundreds of thousands of cars ever produced and marketed with leather interior, has that ever been a tag line?

      Why do you have to bring in this movement /title of Vegan into the marking of an automobile??



      This is turning into more of a discussion that I wanted, but it proves that people LOVE to talk about being or something is Vegan.
      This one comes with seats made of leather from whale penis.

      https://jalopnik.com/1-5m-russian-su...leathe-5380680
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      12-04-2019 11:14 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Smooremin View Post
      Has anyone ever listed their interior as Carnivorous?

      Of all of the hundreds of thousands of cars ever produced and marketed with leather interior, has that ever been a tag line?

      Why do you have to bring in this movement /title of Vegan into the marking of an automobile??



      This is turning into more of a discussion that I wanted, but it proves that people LOVE to talk about being or something is Vegan.
      Consumers have been asking for premium interior materials that don't use animal byproducts for a long time. I don't really see a problem with it to be honest.
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      12-04-2019 11:23 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      How do you feel about buying a car from a "new" manufacturer, or in the case of Fisker, as start-up with a history of failure on its record?
      I am not criticizing the company, the car, or your purchase decision.
      I just don't think I'd have the courage to make a major purchase from a company that is new. (What if the company goes under? What happens to the resale value/warranty/etc...?)
      based on what they touting for lease terms, willing to entertain it. Wife thinks it is "cute"; so really her call when they are available to check out and test drive; seems like a good way to try an EV for a bit and walk away if she really hates it.

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      12-04-2019 11:25 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      This one comes with seats made of leather from whale penis.

      https://jalopnik.com/1-5m-russian-su...leathe-5380680
      Theres just something freeing about taking a ride on a penis....

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      12-04-2019 11:32 AM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      Consumers have been asking for premium interior materials that don't use animal byproducts for a long time. I don't really see a problem with it to be honest.
      I am all for that too, in fact, happy its becoming a thing.

      But dont label it as "vegan"

      Label it as sustainable, animal friendly, whatever.

      For the same reason we dont label leather as Carnivorous.
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      12-04-2019 11:43 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Smooremin View Post
      I am all for that too, in fact, happy its becoming a thing.

      But dont label it as "vegan"

      Label it as sustainable, animal friendly, whatever.

      For the same reason we dont label leather as Carnivorous.
      Sustainable doesn't mean animal by-product free, animal friendly suggests that it still has to do with animals. Carnivorous describes eating an animal/animal byproduct, whereas vegan describes a philosophy that extends past actually eating something that came from an animal.
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      And on the tenth day of the two thousand fifteenth year, TCL finds out about rich people.

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      12-04-2019 11:48 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      Sustainable doesn't mean animal by-product free, animal friendly suggests that it still has to do with animals. Carnivorous describes eating an animal/animal byproduct, whereas vegan describes a philosophy that extends past actually eating something that came from an animal.
      Fair enough.

      I am done
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      12-04-2019 11:48 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by madrussian View Post
      Theres just something freeing about taking a ride on a penis....
      Faster than walking, that's what I always said.
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      12-04-2019 12:04 PM #41
      So... 1k miles a year from the solar panel or 2.7 miles a day. That's almost useless. I want to see the math for solar panel charging range (even on a sunny California outing) vs the same vehicle's range without the weight of the solar panel.
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      12-04-2019 01:04 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      How do you feel about buying a car from a "new" manufacturer, or in the case of Fisker, as start-up with a history of failure on its record?
      I am not criticizing the company, the car, or your purchase decision.
      I just don't think I'd have the courage to make a major purchase from a company that is new. (What if the company goes under? What happens to the resale value/warranty/etc...?)
      But you missed the while point! They are not selling you the car, so you have no financial risk. They understand that this is the issue with a new car company, so they allow you to “subscribe” to the car, and you can give it back at any time. 30,000 miles allowed every year, and no long-term contract, so you can hand the car back at any time. This keeps new people from worrying about getting stuck with a car. The company and their banking partner will take all the financial risk. If you think about it, it’s genius, because it allows people to take on this new car company’s product. Tesla kind of does this under the radar by buying back and controlling the used car market a bit. Fisker learned from the last time. People don’t want to take the leap. By allowing people to take no risk, it should cause many people to jump in... which then is a self-fulfilling prophecy for ensuring that more people can have a positive experience.

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      12-04-2019 01:13 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Colty_CM View Post
      So... 1k miles a year from the solar panel or 2.7 miles a day. That's almost useless. I want to see the math for solar panel charging range (even on a sunny California outing) vs the same vehicle's range without the weight of the solar panel.
      It’s not meaningful, but it is a small start to a technology that can improve over time. An extra “free” few miles can’t hurt. I have the solar roof on my Fisker Karma, and it’s intent in 2011 was mainly to provide power to run a cooling fan on hot days to keep the battery cool. It does mostly nothing, and the company first offered it as an option, but virtually every customer of the first units ordered the option, so they made it standard on the 3000 or so produced. There exists no Karma without it. I think now on the new Fiskers it’s a design, aesthetic, and conversation piece that can someday grow into something more as battery and PV panel technology evolves. Gotta start somewhere! The first car air conditioners didn’t do much, either. Everything evolves.

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      12-04-2019 01:24 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Car_Guy View Post
      The first car air conditioners didn’t do much, either. Everything evolves.
      The first humans didn't do much either.

      It was too cold, they said.
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      12-04-2019 01:30 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Smooremin View Post
      Interesting. That fits my needs almost ideally. Has me thinking hard...

      Also, vegan this vegan that
      What is wrong with using sustainable interior materials? Leather is a ****ty material for car interiors, it's idiotic that animals die for something so subpar.
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      12-04-2019 01:31 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      What is wrong with using sustainable interior materials? Leather is a ****ty material for car interiors, it's idiotic that animals die for something so subpar.
      Keep reading
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      Asking OT for relationship advice makes about as much sense as asking TCL what car to buy.
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      12-04-2019 01:35 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      What is wrong with using sustainable interior materials? Leather is a ****ty material for car interiors, it's idiotic that animals die for something so subpar.
      There's absolutely nothing wrong with using sustainable materials made from things other than animals. I think that would be fantastic.

      Do. Not. Market. It. As. Vegan.

      Just stop.

      Call it something else.
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      12-04-2019 01:42 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      There's absolutely nothing wrong with using sustainable materials made from things other than animals. I think that would be fantastic.

      Do. Not. Market. It. As. Vegan.

      Just stop.

      Call it something else.
      Why come up with another name for it when one already exists?
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      12-04-2019 01:43 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      Why come up with another name for it when one already exists?
      Because I'm not chewing on the f*cking car, that's why.
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      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
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      12-04-2019 01:48 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      Because I'm not chewing on the f*cking car, that's why.
      Much like I said to Smooremin, veganism isn't just about eating. It extends way past that into the use of animal products in general.

      That being said, both of you are probably representative of the general population's knowledge regarding vegans. I was the same way before I moved to Seattle.
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      And on the tenth day of the two thousand fifteenth year, TCL finds out about rich people.

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