Current: '17 Tundra, '16 3 GT
Past/Sold: '13 Evo, '08 Si, '12 Mustang GT, '03 Evo VIII, '01 Golf 1.8T
With cadillac scaling back art & science due to Chinese market, theyre sedans will wither as they are bland **** liek the new CT5
Lutz did good on this one, just needed better build quality and interior materials but this thing was futurisitic back in 2008
Escalade is the only caddy is see having the "want" factor with most people now that the CTS V is nearly dead
Worsening road conditions have basically killed the sport sedan. This is not new, I had this realization when the Alpha cars were announced.
Regulatory constraints and a general level of adequacy have made mechanical differentiation pointless.
What is left?
Compare Cadillac to both of their American competitors. Lincoln is on fire right now. Not because of Ring Tuned Dynamics and Brembo Brakes™ nobody gives a **** about It's all about them doing the very basic thing of making good looking vehicles at a decent price. Even if the Aviator had a wheezy N/A V6 out of a Ford Edge... the fact that it looks like an American Range Rover rather than a Honda Pilot with black trim works in its favor. The ancient Chrysler 300 has basically continuously outsold the whole Alpha sedan lineup, IMO on the basis of 2 things it has that they don't- good looks, and a big American V8- what should be ground zero for a luxury American sedan
It's also much easier to maintain a good reputation than to fix a bad one and Cadillac has spent the last 40+ years training the world to associate the brand with complete dog doo doo. It will take 80 years they definitely don't have to crawl out of the hole they buried themselves into.
Honestly Cadillac is one of the several brands I don't see being around in 20 years. Them, Jaguar, Mitsubishi, MINI, Chrysler (if they don't get any new product), possibly Nissan/Infiniti and maybe Mazda (at least in the US market). Wall St isn't playing anymore
It was called the bls and based on the 93.
There were plenty of other rhd caddys in the 2000s as well, so that's not really accurate. It didn't work so they pulled out of those markets and focused on China with Buick.
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I was mainly referring to the post-war Cadillacs from the 50s and 60s that should have been sold officially in Australia or South Africa. Prior to WW2, Cadillac did produce RHD cars for the UK and the Dutch Indies.
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I grew up driving a '77 Coupe DeVille and a '79 Seville (and my folks had a '64 Cadillac Sedan Deville when I was born). The Coupe DeVille was a pretty awesome car while the Seville was definitely just a rebadged Chevy. So I would put the beginning of the end with the Seville.
I feel like Cadillac really lost it in the 2000s when they decided to go more after performance than luxury. The 300C stole their lunch money in 2005.
I think GM's brand strategy in general is a mess. In my mind they should have kept Pontiac and Saturn and killed Buick.
Chevy is Chevy
Pontiac is performance (with GTO as the foundation)
Saturn is electric
Caddy is luxury (and they could sell that to the Chinese instead of Buick)
Honda/BMW/Toyota/Mercedes is Honda/BMW/Toyota/Mercedes
Honda/BMW/Toyota/Mercedes is performance
Honda/BMW/Toyota/Mercedes is electric
Acura/BMW/Lexus/Mercedes is luxury
This I 100% agree... Cadillac should not chase BMW M/Mercedes AMG.... They need to fix their "luxury" first.I feel like Cadillac really lost it in the 2000s when they decided to go more after performance than luxury. The 300C stole their lunch money in 2005.
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I'll get the 4th part up soon.
The 75 Seville really was a step in the right direction and it was more than just a rebadged Nova. But by then the trend setters and celebrities have been migrating to Mercedes and other brands for several years already.
I never knew Cadillac had a big presence in those markets. I'd guess it's a pretty safe bet that, had Cadillac continued competing in those markets, it's global reputation would have been in much better shape. Reminds me of why Buick is so popular in China, they were popular and had a good rep. in China before the revolution.
It's interesting how much more modern Cadillacs were in the post-war period than a RR or Bentley, they had auto climate control and auto dimming lights (twilight sentinel) in the 50s. In the 1966 comparison test I linked, the Silver Ghost was criticized for feeling like "a twenty year old car", the A/C system resembled a dealer installation, and it still used the GM hydramatic introduced in 1940. Granted, a new Silver Shadow would have fared far better.