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    1. 10-18-2019 02:12 PM #1
      Can someone help me out. I have a 2012 Passat SEL, 2.5. that has a sluggish take off & acts as if it wants to cut out. What is it you have to do to adjust the Idle? The VCDs readout is below. I would really appreciate someone's help. Thanks


      Wednesday,16,October,2019,17:26:19:43684
      VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 10 x64
      VCDS Version: 19.6.2.0 (x64)
      Data version: 20190930 DS308.0
      www.Ross-Tech.com


      VIN: 1VWCH7A33CC016037 License Plate:
      Mileage: 238850km-148414mi Repair Order:



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      Chassis Type: A3-VW41 (7N0)
      Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 2E 37 42 46 47 4F 52 56 62 72
      77

      VIN: 1VWCH7A33CC016037 Mileage: 238850km-148414miles

      01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
      02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
      03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
      04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
      08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
      09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
      15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
      16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
      17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
      19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
      25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
      2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
      37-Navigation -- Status: Malfunction 0010
      42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
      46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
      47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
      4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
      52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
      56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
      62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
      72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
      77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000

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      Address 01: Engine (CBT) Labels: 07K-906-055-CBT.clb
      Part No SW: 07K 906 055 DD HW: 07K 907 309 A
      Component: 2,5l R5/4V G01 5685
      Revision: T6H01--- Serial number:
      Coding: 0000075
      Shop #: WSC 40271 001 1048576
      VCID: 73CB38DF121F8CD7AA-8026

      4 Faults Found:
      012408 - Throttle Control
      P3078 - 000 - Airflow at Idle too Low
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 01100000
      Fault Priority: 0
      Fault Frequency: 1
      Reset counter: 255
      Mileage: 238673 km
      Time Indication: 0
      Date: 2014.03.07
      Time: 06:57:13

      Freeze Frame:
      RPM: 677 /min
      Load: 26.7 %
      Speed: 35.0 km/h
      Temperature: 87.0°C
      Temperature: 52.0°C
      Absolute Pres.: 980.0 mbar

      000262 - Manifold / Barometric Pressure Sensor (G71) / (F96)
      P0106 - 000 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent - MIL ON
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 10100000
      Fault Priority: 0
      Fault Frequency: 1
      Reset counter: 255
      Mileage: 238695 km
      Time Indication: 0
      Date: 2014.03.07
      Time: 07:26:28

      Freeze Frame:
      RPM: 1516 /min
      Load: 34.9 %
      Speed: 78.0 km/h
      Temperature: 88.0°C
      Temperature: 50.0°C
      Absolute Pres.: 980.0 mbar

      008568 - Bank 1; System Too Rich off Idle
      P2178 - 000 - - Intermittent - MIL ON
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 10100000
      Fault Priority: 0
      Fault Frequency: 5
      Reset counter: 255
      Mileage: 238722 km
      Time Indication: 0
      Date: 2014.03.07
      Time: 07:41:21

      Freeze Frame:
      RPM: 686 /min
      Load: 58.4 %
      Speed: 0.0 km/h
      Temperature: 87.0°C
      Temperature: 45.0°C
      Absolute Pres.: 980.0 mbar

      008584 - Bank 1; System too Rich at Idle
      P2188 - 000 - - Intermittent - MIL ON
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 10100000
      Fault Priority: 0
      Fault Frequency: 1
      Reset counter: 255
      Mileage: 238725 km
      Time Indication: 0
      Date: 2014.03.07
      Time: 12:10:13

      Freeze Frame:
      RPM: 725 /min
      Load: 59.6 %
      Speed: 0.0 km/h
      Temperature: 70.0°C
      Temperature: 45.0°C
      Absolute Pres.: 980.0 mbar

      Readiness: 0000 0000

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      Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09G-927-750.clb
      Part No SW: 09G 927 750 LH HW: 09G 927 750 LH
      Component: AQ 250 6F 2043
      Revision: 00H97000 Serial number:
      Coding: 0000840
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      VCID: 02256D1B5DA5B55FB1-8056

      1 Fault Found:
      01314 - Engine Control Module
      013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 00101101
      Fault Priority: 2
      Fault Frequency: 46
      Reset counter: 196
      Mileage: 915 km
      Time Indication: 0


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      Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
      Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BH HW: 1K0 907 379 BH
      Component: ESP MK60EC1 H31 0121
      Revision: 00H31001
      Coding: C54BC0F549230800A30B03E792201061A60000
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      VCID: 79D70AF7F073F687E0-802C

      1 Fault Found:
      01314 - Engine Control Module
      013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 00101101
      Fault Priority: 2
      Fault Frequency: 1
      Reset counter: 46
      Mileage: 238695 km
      Time Indication: 0
      Date: 2014.03.07
      Time: 07:26:28

      Freeze Frame:
      Count: 0
      Count: 32768
      Count: 4608
      Count: 8193
      Count: 48384
      Count: 0
      Count: 0
      Count: 0


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      Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255) Labels:| 5K0-907-044.clb
      Part No SW: 561 907 044 D HW: 561 907 044 D
      Component: Climatronic 042 0102
      Revision: 00001001
      Coding: 0010001002
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      ASAM Dataset: EV_ACClimaBHBVW411 A01001
      ROD: EV_ACClimaBHBVW411_VW41.rod
      VCID: 18112F73E3390F8F7F-804C

      No fault code found.

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      Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 1K0-937-08x-09.clb
      Part No SW: 5K0 937 085 P HW: 5K0 937 085 P
      Component: BCM PQ35 B+ 011 0048
      Revision: BH011001
      Coding: 7F200E1BF82B08D408880001360004C80071008641A00D6064 8060000C70
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      VCID: 40A1A713D329674FE7-8014

      Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AH Labels: 1K0-955-559-AG.CLB
      Component: RLS 030911 05 54 0403
      Coding: 07300A

      No fault code found.

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      Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:| 5K0-959-655.clb
      Part No SW: 5C0 959 655 HW: 5C0 959 655
      Component: AirbagVW10G 013 0809
      Serial number: 003ENM00180S
      Coding: 00003548
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360 A01024
      ROD: EV_AirbaVW10SMEVW360.rod
      VCID: 6FC334AFB637A8374E-803A

      Seat occupied recognition:
      Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 5C6 959 339 HW: 5C6 959 339
      Component: BF-Gewichtss. H10 0027
      Serial number: 6940000Y11000076KX0Z
      Coding: 303251

      Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
      Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354 HW: 5K0 959 354
      Component: S.Sens.Fahr.V H01 ----
      Serial number: 3572MSME73670362ZZZR

      Crash sensor for side airbag: front passenger side:
      Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 354 HW: 5K0 959 354
      Component: S.Sens.Beif.V H01 ----
      Serial number: 3582MSME242A7361ZZZT

      Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: driver side:
      Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A HW: 5K0 959 351 A
      Component: S.Sens.Fahr.H H02 ----
      Serial number: 3516KSME5B203712ZZZK

      Crash sensor for side airbag: rear: passenger side:
      Subsystem 5 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 351 A HW: 5K0 959 351 A
      Component: S.Sens.Beif.H H02 ----
      Serial number: 3526KSME51185312ZZZG

      Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
      Subsystem 6 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A HW: 5K0 959 659 A
      Component: F.Sens.Fahr H02 ----
      Serial number: 3556LSME32663210ZZZH

      Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
      Subsystem 7 - Part No SW: 5K0 959 659 A HW: 5K0 959 659 A
      Component: F.Sens.Beif H02 ----
      Serial number: 3566LSME28513210ZZZH

      No fault code found.

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      Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels:| 5K0-953-569.clb
      Part No SW: 1K5 953 501 Q HW: 5K0 953 569 H
      Component: LENKS.MODUL 014 0140
      Revision: FF010040 Serial number: 20110711100335
      Coding: 0982140000
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      ASAM Dataset: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS A03004
      ROD: EV_VW360SteerWheelUDS.rod
      VCID: 3957CAF7B8F33687A0-806C

      Multifunction steering wheel control module:
      Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 3C8 959 537 D HW: 3C8 959 537 D Labels: 3C8-959-537.CLB
      Component: E221__MFL-YVJ H06 0022
      Coding: E20000

      No fault code found.

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      Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 5K0-920-XXX-17.clb-SRI1
      Part No SW: 561 920 970 B HW: 561 920 970 B
      Component: KOMBI H07 0507
      Serial number: 00000000000000
      Coding: 231E01
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04093
      ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_004_VW32.rod
      VCID: 19172A771833168740-804C

      No fault code found.

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      Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:. 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
      Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 K HW: 1K0 907 951
      Component: J533 Gateway H40 1620
      Revision: H40 Serial number: 02091101290321
      Coding: 461000
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      VCID: 3851CFF38BF92F8F5F-806C

      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 25: Immobilizer (J334) Labels:| 5K0-920-xxx-25.clb
      Part No SW: 5K0 953 234 HW: 5K0 953 234
      Component: IMMO H07 0507
      Serial number:
      Coding: 000000
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      ASAM Dataset: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09 A03008
      ROD: EV_Immo_UDS_VDD_RM09.rod
      VCID: 6AF525BB8DD54D1F19-803E

      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 2E: Media Player 3 (J650) Labels:. 5N0-035-342.lbl
      Part No SW: 5N0 035 342 E HW: 5N0 035 342 E
      Component: SG EXT.PLAYER H13 0240
      Revision: A1001003 Serial number: 7660673693
      Coding: 010000
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      VCID: 29771AB740538607D0-807C

      No fault code found.

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      Address 37: Navigation (J0506) Labels:. 1T0-035-680.clb
      Part No SW: 3C0 035 684 J HW: 3C0 035 684 E
      Component: RNS-MID H59 4366
      Revision: AB001001 Serial number: VWZ6Z7L6229154
      Coding: 04090002010000A4000B
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      VCID: 2A75E5BB45558D1FD9-807E

      Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 919 859
      Component: NAR V8 8112

      1 Fault Found:
      02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
      000 - -
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 01100000
      Fault Priority: 7
      Fault Frequency: 128
      Reset counter: 49
      Mileage: 235720 km
      Time Indication: 0


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      Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
      Part No SW: 561 959 701 HW: 3C0 959 793 B
      Component: TUER-SG FT 002 0525
      Revision: 13110009 Serial number: 0003251857
      Coding: 0404FD
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGFPQ25BRFVW46X A04001
      ROD: EV_TSGFPQ25BRFVW46X.rod
      VCID: 5B9B707F528F249792-800E

      Slave Driver:
      Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 561 959 811 HW: 561 959 811 Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
      Component: J388__TSG_HL 004 4472
      Serial number: --------------------
      Coding: 800000

      No fault code found.

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      Address 47: Sound System (R12) Labels: 5K0-035-456.clb
      Part No SW: 3T0 035 456 B HW: 3T0 035 456 B
      Component: KonzernAmp10K H06 0362
      Revision: -------- Serial number: BP225309713455
      ASAM Dataset: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT3 S01001
      ROD: EV_AudioVerst10KanalSTT3.rod
      VCID: 3041F7D36B89F7CF17-8064

      No fault code found.

      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II (J520) Labels:. 1K0-907-532.clb
      Part No SW: 7N0 907 532 HW: 1K0 907 951
      Component: EZE_2 H40 1620
      Revision: H40 Serial number: 02091101290321
      Coding: 01030108
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      VCID: 6FC334AFBE37A8374E-803A

      Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 561 959 591 HW: 561 959 591
      Component: J245 P05 FFD7 H07 0004
      Serial number: 53388786011117600221
      Coding: 181100

      Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 561 919 204 B HW: 561 919 204 B
      Component: Analoguhr 008 0002

      No fault code found.

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      Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels:| 3C0-959-70X-GEN4.clb
      Part No SW: 561 959 702 HW: 3C0 959 792 B
      Component: TUER-SG BT 002 0525
      Revision: 15110009 Serial number: 0003185387
      Coding: 0404FC
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      ASAM Dataset: EV_TSGBPQ25BRFVW46X A04001
      ROD: EV_TSGBPQ25BRFVW46X.rod
      VCID: 5C997363578123AF9B-8008

      Slave Passenger:
      Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 561 959 812 HW: 561 959 812 Labels: 1K0-959-70X-GEN4.CLB
      Component: J389__TSG_HR 004 4472
      Serial number: --------------------
      Coding: 800000

      No fault code found.

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      Address 56: Radio (J0506) Labels:. 1T0-035-680.clb
      Part No SW: 3C0 035 684 J HW: 3C0 035 684 E
      Component: RNS-MID H59 4366
      Revision: AB001001 Serial number: VWZ6Z7L6229154
      Coding: 04090002010000A4000B
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      VCID: 2A75E5BB45558D1FD9-807E

      Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 919 859
      Component: NAR V8 8112

      1 Fault Found:
      02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
      000 - -
      Freeze Frame:
      Fault Status: 01100000
      Fault Priority: 7
      Fault Frequency: 128
      Reset counter: 49
      Mileage: 235720 km
      Time Indication: 0


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      Address 77: Telephone (J412) Labels:| 7P6-035-730.clb
      Part No SW: 7P6 035 730 F HW: 7P6 035 730 F
      Component: TELEFON H09 2902
      Revision: 1B001001 Serial number: 00007660508439
      Coding: 0A11040000010110
      Shop #: WSC 09003 957 00200
      ASAM Dataset: EV_UHVNA A01719
      ROD: UHVNA.rod
      VCID: 354FC6C794EBD2E744-8060

      No fault code found.

      End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:25)--------------------------

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      10-19-2019 11:34 AM #2
      Usually the map gets covered in oil and screws up.
      Check PVC system usually the cause of the oil.

      Good Luck

    4. 10-19-2019 12:27 PM #3
      stan067
      The map sensor is in the front of the engine. Bank 1 & Bank 2 refers to fuel intake, not oil. I am trying to figure out how to adjust my idle. Any ideas
      Thanks

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    6. 10-23-2019 11:42 AM #4
      Can anyone help me out?

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      10-23-2019 03:15 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by coniseur View Post
      Can anyone help me out?
      There is no way to adjust the idle. The computer sets the idle speed according to all the information it gets from the various sensors. A low MAP sensor signal or an Implausible signal usually indicates an air leak. MAP sensors uses pressure to set fuel mixture. Fix the MAP sensor problem and if there is nothing else wrong it should all be ok.

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      10-23-2019 03:17 PM #6
      Stan is trying to tell you that if the MAP sensor is contaminated it will give incorrect readings to the computer which in turn will make the motor run bad. He is trying to get you to fix the problem not the symptom

    9. 10-23-2019 06:45 PM #7
      chrisqc,

      I just replaced the MAP Sensor yesterday evening & it was running fine for about 15 to 18 miles this morning headed to work. Then it started hesitating & jerking. I will be putting it back on the Vagcom this evening to see what code I am getting now. I will update, thanks for the response.

    10. 10-23-2019 06:58 PM #8
      chrisqc,

      I wasn't trying to be a smart ass. I was trying to image how oil would get on it when it's at the front top of the engine just below the Manifold intake. The only way I can see it getting oil on it is if the head was leaking. Now that would be a big issue. Like I said in the previous response, I will scan & update tomorrow. Thanks

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      10-23-2019 09:29 PM #9
      PVC system controls crankcase gases with oil vapor. Lots of oil vapor.
      PVC removes the gasses and returned to incoming air before the map.
      Bad PVC puts lots of oil vapor in intake.
      Imagine that

      Start engine let idle and try removing the oil filler cap. Is it sucked on?
      It will run different once oil filler cap is off that would be normal.
      I want to know if it's sucked on and hard to remove.

      Oil filler cap is where you add oil.

      Just turn the screw to increase idle.
      You can't even rev the motor from under hood let alone adjust it. Funny.

      So where did you get the MAP sensor?

      Sense you know about B1 & B2 fuel what are the long term fuel trims at idle and parts load?
      LTFT is measuring blocks 032 before you clear codes!

      Imagine that....

      Good Luck

    12. 10-25-2019 12:15 PM #10
      Stan067,
      I did not mean to come across sounding as if I know it all. It was the way you explained it. This time I get the picture. I didn't know that gases could contaminate a sensor. Good to know, and I will remove the oil filler cap & see if it's sucking. I just replaced the PCV Valve & gasket about 6 to 8 months ago. As far as knowing what Bank 1 & Bank 2 is, I was just repeating what the readout stated. I have no idea what "Long Term Fuel Trims" mean either. To answer your question, the 1st MAP sensor was a Bosch. Now I have replaced it with one from the Volkswagen dealership. I cleared the codes out and it ran good for a day or so. Now the little wrench have showed up again this morning, soon the engine light. Oh yeah, where is that screw you mention about adjusting the idle, or was that sarcastic as well. LOL.
      Thanks for your help Stan067. I will let you know if it's the pcv valve or not. Once again, Thanks

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      10-25-2019 02:15 PM #11
      "little wrench have showed up again this morning."
      That's service reminder wrench. Like oil change over due reminder. Has to be reset after service is done.
      Watch
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csfhNEAKrOQ
      Read
      http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...eset_Procedure

      Fuel trim
      Watch
      http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index...eset_Procedure


      Yes I was being a smart A$$ LOL
      You deserved it

      Everything is cool!

      Good Luck

    14. 10-30-2019 06:09 PM #12
      Stan067,
      Thanks for all the help. The Bank 1 & 2 has gone away. No more engine light. I have reset the service code. By the way, I can clear the reminder from the dashboard. I still get that little wrench every morning heading to work in stop & go traffic. I can tell when it's going to come, because the car will start to hesitate at take off. Then about 4 or 5 miles down the road, the wrench pops up. When I scan it, the only thing it shows is that there's not enough air flow @ idle. Can you tell me what would cause "not enough air flow @ idle" reading? Thanks

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