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      10-08-2019 04:04 PM #1
      Hello all !

      I am a senior studying Product / Industrial Design and am looking into the driving experience and the future of automotive technology. To kick off my research I have made a quick open ended google survey.

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      I would appreciate your time and input!


      P.S. I have a MK7 R and it really bothers me when my car decides it slam the brakes for me when going around a car turning off the road.

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      10-08-2019 11:16 PM #5
      Good Luck with your research. The two articles that might be of interest to you are:

      This is from 2013 but still highly relevant.
      "Driver Distraction: Are We Mistaking a Symptom for the Problem?" by David Curry, John Meyer, Aaron Jones

      http://en.sae.org/technical-papers/2013-01-0439/

      And then:

      Although a pilot study: Manual transmission enhances attention and driving performance of ADHD adolescent males
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17085632

      The manual transmission one was conducted in a simulator, not the real world.
      Abstract
      OBJECTIVE:
      Inattention is a major contributor to driving mishaps and is especially problematic among adolescent drivers with ADHD, possibly contributing to their 2 to 4 times higher incidence of collisions. Manual transmission has been demonstrated to be associated with greater arousal. This study tests the hypotheses that manual transmission, compared to automatic transmission, would be associated with better attention and performance on a driving simulator.

      METHOD:
      Ten adolescent drivers with ADHD practice driving on the simulator in the manual and automatic mode. Employing a single-blind, cross-over design, participants drive the simulator at 19:30 and 22:30 hr for 30 min in both transmissions and rate their attention to driving.

      RESULTS:
      Subjectively, participants report being more attentive while driving in manual transmission mode. Objectively, participants drive safer in the manual transmission mode.

      CONCLUSION:
      Although in need of replication, this pilot study suggests a behavioral intervention to improve driving performance among ADHD adolescents.

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      10-08-2019 11:45 PM #6
      Thank you!!!! I am up to 24 submissions and starting to see some themes.

      The best part of this project is that we chose where we started and I enjoy all things cars so I am starting at the driving experience and what future technology means to it. They can take out pistons but they won’t take out joy!

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      10-08-2019 11:56 PM #7
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      10-09-2019 12:09 AM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      done.
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      10-09-2019 01:00 AM #9
      Submitted. Hope you share the results with us when you’re done.
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      10-09-2019 08:10 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by sammyg View Post
      They can take out pistons but they won’t take out joy!
      Yes "they" can. Legacy vehicles have long been grandfathered when regulations change. That doesn't mean it will always be the case. It's not difficult to imagine a day soon when highly automated vehicles are demonstrably orders of magnitude safer than human drivers. Nevermind the strong consumer demand to be released from the burdens of driving. Public roads (if there even are such things in the future) may be limited to such highly automated vehicles. Those of us who enjoy legacy vehicles may be relegated to low-speed parades or exclusive country club type environments (think Monticello or The Thermal Club or Motorsport Ranch).

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      10-09-2019 09:18 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by freedomgli View Post
      Yes "they" can. Legacy vehicles have long been grandfathered when regulations change. That doesn't mean it will always be the case. It's not difficult to imagine a day soon when highly automated vehicles are demonstrably orders of magnitude safer than human drivers. Nevermind the strong consumer demand to be released from the burdens of driving. Public roads (if there even are such things in the future) may be limited to such highly automated vehicles. Those of us who enjoy legacy vehicles may be relegated to low-speed parades or exclusive country club type environments (think Monticello or The Thermal Club or Motorsport Ranch).
      Isn't that already the case with vintage cars? A modern car is demonstrably orders of magnitude safer than a Model T, but you are free to drive your Model T on public roads.

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      10-09-2019 09:20 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by freedomgli View Post
      Yes "they" can. Legacy vehicles have long been grandfathered when regulations change. That doesn't mean it will always be the case. It's not difficult to imagine a day soon when highly automated vehicles are demonstrably orders of magnitude safer than human drivers. Nevermind the strong consumer demand to be released from the burdens of driving. Public roads (if there even are such things in the future) may be limited to such highly automated vehicles. Those of us who enjoy legacy vehicles may be relegated to low-speed parades or exclusive country club type environments (think Monticello or The Thermal Club or Motorsport Ranch).
      I’d rather die than to be able to not be able to hop in a car and wander where I please.
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      10-09-2019 09:29 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      Isn't that already the case with vintage cars? A modern car is demonstrably orders of magnitude safer than a Model T, but you are free to drive your Model T on public roads.
      That's a 20th century way of thinking. Vision Zero is pushing governments to do more than they have in the past to reduce deaths and injuries. When we reach the tipping point where much of the fleet already consists of highly automated vehicles, it will be much easier to justify getting rid of the few remaining legacy vehicles. There is also an environmental argument to be made that even if all vehicles are battery electric, an automated vehicle is more efficient than a human driver at conserving energy. It may not happen this decade or next decade. But for certain by the later half of this century.

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      10-09-2019 09:30 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      I’d rather die than to be able to not be able to hop in a car and wander where I please.
      Driving is a privilege, not a right. Change is inevitable. Humans will adapt. That won't stop people from whining about it though.

    16. 10-09-2019 09:39 AM #15
      Done; good luck on the project!

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      10-09-2019 09:52 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by freedomgli View Post
      That's a 20th century way of thinking. Vision Zero is pushing governments to do more than they have in the past to reduce deaths and injuries. When we reach the tipping point where much of the fleet already consists of highly automated vehicles, it will be much easier to justify getting rid of the few remaining legacy vehicles. There is also an environmental argument to be made that even if all vehicles are battery electric, an automated vehicle is more efficient than a human driver at conserving energy. It may not happen this decade or next decade. But for certain by the later half of this century.
      It's not even certain that fully automated cars will become common in the next few decades. I'm old enough to remember predictions in the early 1990s that we'd all have robot housekeepers soon. I'm still waiting for my robotic housekeeper, and no a roomba is not what they were predicting. I'm not old enough to remember the 1960s, but jet packs and flying cars were supposed to be coming soon back then. All of those technologies (robot housekeepers, jet packs, flying cars) sort of exist, but the technology never overcame the final obstacles to mass adoption.

      Automated cars will certainly become common in limited applications, but it may be a very long time until you can walk into any car dealer and leave in a vehicle with level 5 autonomy. Technology always advances, but not always in the direction people think. The next transformative tech may be something that few are talking about today.

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      10-09-2019 10:01 AM #17
      Very cool, thanks for doing this. It allowed me to pause and reflect on why I like driving so much. It's an abstract answer, and I hope that I helped. Please share your results once you have them.
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      10-09-2019 10:08 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      Automated cars will certainly become common in limited applications, but it may be a very long time until you can walk into any car dealer and leave in a vehicle with level 5 autonomy. Technology always advances, but not always in the direction people think. The next transformative tech may be something that few are talking about today.
      I agree. I believe that before cars can become 100% autonomous, they will have to have roads built specifically for them. And that will take decades. Also- I don't believe automated cars are being made to make things safer- its just to keep people's hands free so they can keep clicking away on their phones, ordering things on amazon.

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      10-09-2019 10:13 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by freedomgli View Post
      Driving is a privilege, not a right. Change is inevitable. Humans will adapt. That won't stop people from whining about it though.
      I didn’t say anything about rights, hold your horses cowboy.
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      10-09-2019 10:21 AM #20
      Done and thank you for considering this!

      Here is the story I referenced - A Nice Morning Drive

      I think we all just want to drive. It's joyful.
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      10-09-2019 10:36 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by bc View Post
      "Driver Distraction: Are We Mistaking a Symptom for the Problem?" by David Curry, John Meyer, Aaron Jones

      http://en.sae.org/technical-papers/2013-01-0439/

      And then:

      Although a pilot study: Manual transmission enhances attention and driving performance of ADHD adolescent males
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17085632
      Thank you for the links, @bc. The pilot study is very good reading. The SAE article should be mandatory reading. I've run across it before.
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      10-09-2019 11:30 AM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Itgb View Post
      Submitted. Hope you share the results with us when you’re done.
      This ! I would also like to know the results.

      Op great survey. Made me really think about why i enjoy driving. I sent it to a couple buddies.

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      10-09-2019 11:37 AM #23
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      10-09-2019 11:37 AM #24
      Did the thing

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      10-09-2019 12:07 PM #25
      I also did the thing.

      Curious how the "Anything you're not looking forward to?" question turns out.

      I put lack of noise from engine.
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