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      10-08-2019 05:48 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Those are older. The Camry is from 2012, the Corolla from 2014 and the Accord from 2015. That being said, the Corolla was the one that fared the worst. That A pillar is a mess afterwards. The Accord appeared to be about as rigid as the new Arteon, which fared really well. I would imagine the new Corolla does considerably better in this test than that older one.
      I remember they came out with the identical looking 2012.5 camry as a direct result of the overlap tests. It featured structural changes. My regional rep friend said it was a nightmare for Toyota given the timing considering the 2012 had just been the redesign.

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      10-08-2019 05:55 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      I remember they came out with the identical looking 2012.5 camry as a direct result of the overlap tests. It featured structural changes. My regional rep friend said it was a nightmare for Toyota given the timing considering the 2012 had just been the redesign.
      Don't blame them, they got a lot of bad press from poor results of the Previa in the late 90s, especially since the IIHS president owned one..


      "The day of the test, he added, ''I told my wife we had to sell the Previa.''"



      But they came back with the replacement and it was one of the best testing vehicles at the time.







      old article I found the quote from, but i remember him being interviewed on dateline or 20/20 back in the day one of those:

      https://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/22/b...-of-suv-s.html

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      10-08-2019 06:12 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Those are older. The Camry is from 2012, the Corolla from 2014 and the Accord from 2015. That being said, the Corolla was the one that fared the worst. That A pillar is a mess afterwards. The Accord appeared to be about as rigid as the new Arteon, which fared really well. I would imagine the new Corolla does considerably better in this test than that older one.
      Yeah, the small-overlap test was introduced in '12 so most cars that weren't designed for it did pretty poorly. The Corolla was updated for '17 with the refresh and it did "good." I mean, I can see that the engine cover flew off, but it just pops off with a light pull. Looking under the dash of our '17, there is a lot of beefy looking reinforcement-stuff on the firewall.



      I mean, this is about the same as the pre-refresh Corolla
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      10-08-2019 06:14 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by dieselraver View Post
      So I just saw this video here and in the video you can see the actual car battery come flying out of the engine bay.
      I watched all of the VW crash videos and came up with a conclusion... VW needs to re-engineer their battery mounts..

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      10-08-2019 06:14 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by Double-V View Post
      This. I saw one (can't remember which, but I think it was a full-size pickup) where the hood detached and spun like a Flying Frisbee o' Death.
      Welp, time to go watch a bunch of IIHS videos.

      EDIT: Wait a minute, there's a spectator area to watch these in person?!?!?

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      10-08-2019 06:42 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      Welp, time to go watch a bunch of IIHS videos.

      EDIT: Wait a minute, there's a spectator area to watch these in person?!?!?



      I've been known on occasion to watch a whole bunch of those IIHS crash test videos on random cars for a solid hour or so till I ran out of videos.... I know i'm not the only one on here who does it!
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      10-08-2019 07:54 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      correct the batteries in VWs are where the batteries in cars are because VWs are cars..
      No smartass, many other cars had batteries in other locations. Most cars I worked on as a mechanic in the early 80s had them on the passenger side. My Audi had it under the back seat. I don't recall the early VW transverse, just the MKIV and later. It was a practical location for a transverse engine, but I expect companies may be looking to change that simply due to this test.
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      10-08-2019 08:00 PM #33
      How was it that both battery cables detached like that ?

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      10-08-2019 08:07 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by randyvr6 View Post
      How was it that both battery cables detached like that ?
      I suspect the terminals stayed with the posts.
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      10-08-2019 08:55 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by dieselraver View Post
      So I just saw this video here and in the video you can see the actual car battery come flying out of the engine bay.
      Question: what happens to all the safety systems if this happens? Post collision braking, carnet making emergency phone calls to ems, heck even the other supplemental systems (emergency hazard lights etc)

      I can’t imaging it being a good thing.

      Thoughts? Comments?


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      IIHS disagrees. They gave the Arteon the top "Good" rating for the crash ratings, including small overlap.

      The Arteon gets a poor rating for the headlights.

      https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle...hatchback/2019
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      10-08-2019 09:09 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      EDIT: Wait a minute, there's a spectator area to watch these in person?!?!?
      Meh, the high speed video is all that really matters. The actual event in person is over so quickly you don't see much.

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      10-08-2019 09:19 PM #37
      well, My battery is in the trunk.
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      10-08-2019 10:06 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by vwpiloto View Post
      Meh, the high speed video is all that really matters. The actual event in person is over so quickly you don't see much.
      Wrong. I want to see those flying batteries in person, mainly to see how far they travel...

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      10-08-2019 10:09 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by BsickPassat View Post
      IIHS disagrees. They gave the Arteon the top "Good" rating for the crash ratings, including small overlap.

      The Arteon gets a poor rating for the headlights.

      https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle...hatchback/2019
      Does the glare comment refer to blinding oncoming traffic?

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      10-08-2019 10:13 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      Welp, time to go watch a bunch of IIHS videos.

      EDIT: Wait a minute, there's a spectator area to watch these in person?!?!?

      Next VWV meetup.

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      10-08-2019 10:23 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by sandwich-chris View Post
      Does the glare comment refer to blinding oncoming traffic?
      Essentially, since the measurement is taken at a height of 3'7"
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      10-09-2019 06:27 AM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by PZ View Post
      No smartass, many other cars had batteries in other locations. Most cars I worked on as a mechanic in the early 80s had them on the passenger side. My Audi had it under the back seat. I don't recall the early VW transverse, just the MKIV and later. It was a practical location for a transverse engine, but I expect companies may be looking to change that simply due to this test.
      Key word had...

      I suggest you start popping hoods on modern cars subjected to this test and you'll find that the majority of them have the battery where you're saying it's a VW specific problem.

      Also passenger side placement of the battery isn't better, this test is done on both sides.



      PS mk1-4 had the battery basically in th same spot, right behind the left headlight. Starting with the mk5 they moved to over the trans near the firewall. The arteon is in the same location.

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      10-09-2019 08:30 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by adrew View Post
      Yeah, the small-overlap test was introduced in '12 so most cars that weren't designed for it did pretty poorly. The Corolla was updated for '17 with the refresh and it did "good." I mean, I can see that the engine cover flew off, but it just pops off with a light pull. Looking under the dash of our '17, there is a lot of beefy looking reinforcement-stuff on the firewall.



      I mean, this is about the same as the pre-refresh Corolla
      That sounds about right. I remember clearly that certain cars were more towards the ends of their lives and weren't reengineered, some were at the beginning and were and the Bulli project was cancelled since there was no way to make it pass this test without extending the nose, ruining the look.


      Quote Originally Posted by randyvr6 View Post
      How was it that both battery cables detached like that ?
      Do you expect two friction clamps on tapered surfaces to be able to stop a heavy battery that's already moving at a high rate of speed, unlike the cable mounts? Also they probably are yanked off sequentially since the cables are different lengths, making it even harder for them to hold onto the battery.

      The forces involved with a hit like this are huge and I find it amazing that people fare as well as they do in crashes such as this. That's testament to the engineering of modern cars.
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      10-09-2019 09:25 AM #44
      Can't wait for the extra small overlap test that requires running into a telephone pole at 60mph.

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      10-09-2019 09:31 AM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by rs4-380 View Post
      they don't work.
      this true, the only concern i'd have would be automatic door locks and/or any electronics in the door mechanism to get out of the vehicle. that said, if you hit something hard enough for the battery to exit the vehicle, as long as the airbags deployed i'm not sure it matters much.
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      10-09-2019 03:22 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by compy222 View Post
      this true, the only concern i'd have would be automatic door locks and/or any electronics in the door mechanism to get out of the vehicle. that said, if you hit something hard enough for the battery to exit the vehicle, as long as the airbags deployed i'm not sure it matters much.
      Which is why I think this is such a cause for concern. In modern times we’ve begun to rely so heavily on these post crash features I fear we’ve begun to move away from the importance of what to do after a crash if these systems aren’t available to us. Even basic things like the inability to turn on flashers in the even of an accident can cause even more risk to the occupants.
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      10-09-2019 03:54 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      Which is why I think this is such a cause for concern. In modern times we’ve begun to rely so heavily on these post crash features I fear we’ve begun to move away from the importance of what to do after a crash if these systems aren’t available to us. Even basic things like the inability to turn on flashers in the even of an accident can cause even more risk to the occupants.
      How is the battery in the Arteon clamped? Is it one of those little guys that grabs the lower lip of the battery case? The battery in my car has a cross bar on top that connects to a threaded rod on the front/back. I imagine it'd take a hell of a lot of force to break free of that, but maybe not. Or maybe the clamp was just loose/installed improperly in this crash test?

      This made me look up the small overlap on my car. Surprisingly, it passed with an "acceptable". I figured it would fail, being an '07. The battery also stayed in place.

    24. 10-09-2019 04:02 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      I remember they came out with the identical looking 2012.5 camry as a direct result of the overlap tests. It featured structural changes. My regional rep friend said it was a nightmare for Toyota given the timing considering the 2012 had just been the redesign.
      replacement parts might be a pain thoughmaybe thats why not many of those pre refresh camrys Yellow cabs left in NYC

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      10-09-2019 04:07 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Samson View Post
      How is the battery in the Arteon clamped? Is it one of those little guys that grabs the lower lip of the battery case? The battery in my car has a cross bar on top that connects to a threaded rod on the front/back. I imagine it'd take a hell of a lot of force to break free of that, but maybe not. Or maybe the clamp was just loose/installed improperly in this crash test?
      Some Arteon battery porn. It's kind of just plopped in there with an insulation surrounding it. The clamshell hood and front end are pretty wild, and I think it contributed to the projectile battery.



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      10-09-2019 04:08 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by CostcoPizza View Post
      Can't wait for the extra small overlap test that requires running into a telephone pole at 60mph.
      The actual hit would be lessened by the fact that it would easily shear off the telephone pole, but then you'd need to worry about the roof structure as the pole came down hard.

      Quote Originally Posted by Samson View Post
      How is the battery in the Arteon clamped? Is it one of those little guys that grabs the lower lip of the battery case? The battery in my car has a cross bar on top that connects to a threaded rod on the front/back. I imagine it'd take a hell of a lot of force to break free of that, but maybe not. Or maybe the clamp was just loose/installed improperly in this crash test?

      This made me look up the small overlap on my car. Surprisingly, it passed with an "acceptable". I figured it would fail, being an '07. The battery also stayed in place.
      That's pretty good for an '07.
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