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      10-08-2019 02:57 PM #1
      So I just saw this video here and in the video you can see the actual car battery come flying out of the engine bay.
      Question: what happens to all the safety systems if this happens? Post collision braking, carnet making emergency phone calls to ems, heck even the other supplemental systems (emergency hazard lights etc)

      I can’t imaging it being a good thing.

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      10-08-2019 03:14 PM #3
      That thing got some serious air. I am surprised that a projectile like that is even legal.
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      10-08-2019 03:16 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      That thing got some serious air. I am surprised that a projectile like that is even legal.
      I’m kind of curious what the battery tray and hold down situation looks like on a production car now.
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      10-08-2019 03:16 PM #5
      Just preparing for when all VWs are EVs and they don’t want occupants burning from a battery fire.

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      10-08-2019 03:25 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by dieselraver View Post
      Question: what happens to all the safety systems if this happens?
      they don't work.
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      10-08-2019 03:29 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by dieselraver View Post
      Thoughts? Comments?
      That does not look great. And I would think yes the battery coming out is not good for post-crash, but if you look closely you can see the emergency flashers came on on the side mirrors (the headlights were likely toast), so I wonder how those functioned without a battery.

      Also- only the top trim Arteon gets the carnet safe &secure telematics system (not sure why), so not like that would really matter for the majority of owners.



      One interesting thing I noticed, is the pyrotechnic hood struts activated in the video causing the hood to shoot upward. This is to prevent pedestrians from flying into the windshield between 15 and 45 mph. I wonder if that contributed to the catastrophe that went on in the front end.

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      10-08-2019 03:40 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      That does not look great. And I would think yes the battery coming out is not good for post-crash, but if you look closely you can see the emergency flashers came on on the side mirrors (the headlights were likely toast), so I wonder how those functioned without a battery.

      Also- only the top trim Arteon gets the carnet safe &secure telematics system (not sure why), so not like that would really matter for the majority of owners.


      One interesting thing I noticed, is the pyrotechnic hood struts activated in the video causing the hood to shoot upward. This is to prevent pedestrians from flying into the windshield between 15 and 45 mph. I wonder if that contributed to the catastrophe that went on in the front end.

      Hmmmm... I don't think it'd contribute, as that should be the battery mount itself. The hood holding the battery in is a last resort, as noted the safety systems won't work without power. I would imagine that if this becomes a thing a quick reengineering of the battery mount would be in order. I mean, this could be an anomaly since it's only one test.

      The hood doesn't raise up to protect the windshield from pedestrians, it raises up to protect the human body from hard points under the hood. It makes crush space for the hood to deform if it makes contact with a pedestrian/bicyclist/motorcyclist. The windshield is toast either way.
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      10-08-2019 03:42 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by rs4-380 View Post
      they don't work.
      Yup. Also hazard lights won't light up which can be a serious problem at night time.
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      10-08-2019 03:44 PM #10
      It looks scary that steering wheel airbag didnt catch the head from banging right in the A pillar

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      10-08-2019 03:51 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by mraguilar View Post
      It looks scary that steering wheel airbag didnt catch the head from banging right in the A pillar
      If it touched it at all it barely grazed it. This shows the value of pyrotechnic tensioners in modern seat belts. Old ones probably would've stretched enough to make contact.



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    13. 10-08-2019 03:55 PM #12
      Holy crap who wants a 20lb battery flying at them at 30mph? Yikes.

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      10-08-2019 04:00 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post

      The hood doesn't raise up to protect the windshield from pedestrians, it raises up to protect the human body from hard points under the hood. It makes crush space for the hood to deform if it makes contact with a pedestrian/bicyclist/motorcyclist.
      Interesting, thanks for the info! It is not a req in the US, but the regal and arteon have it. The jag xk had one of the earlier iterations years ago.

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      10-08-2019 04:14 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
      Holy crap who wants a 20lb battery flying at them at 30mph? Yikes.
      That was a very specific very hard hit against a non-deformable object over a small area right in front of the battery. Make that other object a car that can deform and move and the collision isn't nearly as violent.

      Quote Originally Posted by ice4life View Post
      Interesting, thanks for the info! It is not a req in the US, but the regal and arteon have it. The jag xk had one of the earlier iterations years ago.

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      You're welcome. It makes sense that shows cars had that feature since they're also primarily European.
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      10-08-2019 04:15 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
      Holy crap who wants a 20lb battery flying at them at 30mph? Yikes.
      Happened on the Mk7 GTI as well.

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      10-08-2019 04:20 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      That thing got some serious air. I am surprised that a projectile like that is even legal.
      I've watched a ton of the small overlap tests, as they're all on youtube. Quite a lot of them have batteries and other parts fly off the car in this and some other tests. It seems that the g-forces are particularly bad on this test though, kinda like a progressive wound spring that runs through all the normal travel and then right into the heavy winds.

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      10-08-2019 04:25 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      I've watched a ton of the small overlap tests, as they're all on youtube. Quite a lot of them have batteries and other parts fly off the car in this and some other tests. It seems that the g-forces are particularly bad on this test though, kinda like a progressive wound spring that runs through all the normal travel and then right into the heavy winds.
      This. I saw one (can't remember which, but I think it was a full-size pickup) where the hood detached and spun like a Flying Frisbee o' Death.
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      10-08-2019 04:33 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      That thing got some serious air. I am surprised that a projectile like that is even legal.

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      10-08-2019 04:41 PM #19
      It really isn't that uncommon in crash tests:

      Camry:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNG7Nm9XDko

      Corolla:
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      Accord: (not a projectile but falls out)
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      10-08-2019 04:43 PM #20
      VW's battery hold-down is not that robust, at least not compared to the Japanese cars that currently have taken over my driveway.

      I am unsurprised.
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      10-08-2019 04:43 PM #21
      My favorite is the Jeep Wrangler. Worried about the battery going airborne? How about the whole truck. It just drives through:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS7Nw_pV0K0

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      10-08-2019 04:47 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Volkl View Post
      My favorite is the Jeep Wrangler. Worried about the battery going airborne? How about the whole truck. It just drives through:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS7Nw_pV0K0
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      10-08-2019 05:15 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Volkl View Post
      It really isn't that uncommon in crash tests:

      Camry:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNG7Nm9XDko

      Corolla:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AnNSfVds9M

      Accord: (not a projectile but falls out)
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      Those are older. The Camry is from 2012, the Corolla from 2014 and the Accord from 2015. That being said, the Corolla was the one that fared the worst. That A pillar is a mess afterwards. The Accord appeared to be about as rigid as the new Arteon, which fared really well. I would imagine the new Corolla does considerably better in this test than that older one.
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      10-08-2019 05:40 PM #24
      Pretty much expect a destroyed battery (if not a flying one) on most VW transverse engines since the MKIV in this test. The batter is either right behind the headlight or 2' in back of it. The B5 was a rare exception with the battery at the bottom center of the windshield, but it sucks to replace one of those.
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      10-08-2019 05:45 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by PZ View Post
      Pretty much expect a destroyed battery (if not a flying one) on most VW transverse engines since the MKIV in this test. The batter is either right behind the headlight or 2' in back of it. The B5 was a rare exception with the battery at the bottom center of the windshield, but it sucks to replace one of those.

      correct the batteries in VWs are where the batteries in cars are because VWs are cars..

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