Sergio (RIP) was right about one thing... Jeep Wrangler was priced way too low for far too long.
you can tell its a serious offroader thats exactly like the old one thanks to the kitschy plating on the hood and front of the fenders. oh, and the white roof
i predicted this in the other super long thread.
it was always going to be an exercise in maximum industrial design, rebranding a basic soft roader chassis with as many faux plasticy bits as possible.
I like it and the base "Commercial" version of the 90 seems intriguing. We'll see if that comes to the US. The one I built comes up to around $60k which seems expensive then you look at the other off roaders around and it's pretty much in step.
People complaining that it's not like the old Defender need to realize that they actually need to sell some of these. I put this more in the camp of replacing the old Discovery than a new Defender. The time of solid front and rear axles and super basics from Land Rover are long dead. The Wrangler is following that tradition as long as it can.
Historically snorkels are designed to keep fresh clean air coming into the engine, dust free. It's picking up air further off the ground. Sure it can be used for forging water, but their primary function is to keep dust out.
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Man... I was messing around with the configuration, I can’t think of another modern SUV I like more than these..
I couldn’t get the steelies on a six cylinder version, but a slightly less optioned four banger is even better looking to me -
Yeah... I’m in on these. I liked Honda Elements too so that jab is fine by me
One Swedish sedan
One ‘murrican coupe
The value play is definitely in a base 4cyl with a couple of well-chosen options.
Still comes with air suspension, LED headlamps, climate control, etc. Add the off road pack and heated seats and not a ton else.
And--yeah. It has a strong modern Element vibe to it, but will be less utilitarian.
Much like Porsche and what the 911 has become--it must be evolved from it's origins. Imagine if Porsche hadn't updated the 911 since 1983 and then introduced the 992 this year...
It definitely takes the very utilitarian Defender range in another, more modern direction. Whether that is a good thing I'll withhold judgement until I see one in person.
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Comparing this Defender with a classic Defender, would be like comparing a ‘74 Beetle with a ‘97 New Beetle. It should be understood that these are two vehicles from drastically different time periods.
Naming, marketing and nostalgia are the carry through. Otherwise it’s apples and oranges.
Are there any pix of the chassis/underbelly? With the IFS/IRS and unibody I am curious what it looks like underneath.
I found this but would like to see what the diffs and transfer case looks like.
Here are 552 pix on the LR UK Media Site
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Improving the signal-to-noise ratio
Styling is one thing, but after watching a couple of videos on this, I think it'll be plenty capable for 95% of buyers who want to use it's off road capability while also becoming a style accessory purchase at a time when JLR needs just such a hit.
So the whole "snorkel" thing is often misunderstood and misstated, even within the offroad community.
It really is just a high air intake, and they originated in the desert places where they were necessary to get the air intake up above the dust.
The really good ones even have a "cyclone" chamber to separate out even more dust.
They don't really work as a skin diving snorkel because the airbox and the entire intake tract really aren't watertight. It's designed to minimize how much dirt gets sucked into the air filter, thus clogging things up so the engine can't breathe.
You certainly CAN create a true underwater snorkel for an engine but it's generally something you only see on older, very simple Diesel engines. There's a great Dirt Every Day ep on this.