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      09-10-2019 09:41 AM #26
      loooooooool. oh BMW what are you thinking?!

      If nothing else, what does this mean for the LCI X7? it's the most so it must have the most grille by definition right?

      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      We are at a point that there is no reason for the front bumper. The grille should be the entire front end with the headlights fused into it.
      hell yeah, the M in M3 will now stand for Mach as in Gillette Mach 3! woooooo, grille all the things!

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      09-10-2019 09:45 AM #27


      Really, am I the only one that likes the big grillz here?
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      09-10-2019 09:46 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      We are at a point that there is no reason for the front bumper. The grille should be the entire front end with the headlights fused into it.
      I get the joke that you're making, but sadly BMWs in the 60s, 70s, and 80s looked like what you suggested.
      The grilles were horizontal, however, with the headlights and double-kidney elements being tastefully constrained within the horizontal grillework.
      If BMW really wanted to return to a "big" grille design, this is the path that they should have gone down.
      It would have also made much more sense, from an electric car standpoint, as the double-kidneys could have easily just been graphic elements on a solid black plastic/metal field.

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      09-10-2019 09:55 AM #29
      It's so over the top obnoxious that I have to love it. I'm really looking forward to see where they will take it from here.

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      09-10-2019 09:59 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      I get the joke that you're making, but sadly BMWs in the 60s, 70s, and 80s looked like what you suggested.
      The grilles were horizontal, however, with the headlights and double-kidney elements being tastefully constrained within the horizontal grillework.
      If BMW really wanted to return to a "big" grille design, this is the path that they should have gone down.
      It would have also made much more sense, from an electric car standpoint, as the double-kidneys could have easily just been graphic elements on a solid black plastic/metal field.
      The cars then had a much lower frontal area with much more open space underneath. So although the grilles covered a large part of the front, the front was so much smaller than it did not result in an unusually large grille still.


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      09-10-2019 10:09 AM #31
      I agree the side profile has a lot of first gen A5 in it, mostly due to the shape of the window and the cpillar area, very A5. I like it, but as stated its rather derivative.

      The giant kidneys...I actually don't hate them. BMW's early cars were all grill, this is arguably a nod back at their early creations before BMW existed in the US. That said, I think it would like miles better if they were two separate kidneys and not fused at the center. Fuse at the center makes the entire piece look too bulky.

      I like that overall the car looks like a baby 8 series.
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      09-10-2019 10:16 AM #32
      That is horrific. I just don't see how something like that could replace my f80.

    9. 09-10-2019 10:18 AM #33
      Looks like a supra.
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      09-10-2019 10:20 AM #34
      I'm glad car companies are making things horrendously ugly like this new 4 series, makes it easier to keep funding my retirement account!

      I really have no words that can describe how much I hate the front end, it's atrocious. I know my tastes aren't mainstream though, I like car's with very little grill (987, 997, 991), love wagons, hate SUV's... so BMW will probably sell tons of these things. At least in China...

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      I was legitimately afraid to click. And somehow, it's far worse than I thought.

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      09-10-2019 11:01 AM #37
      Ugh, no.. I've seen questionable designs before that grew on me over time, but I don't think I'll ever like this one.

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      09-10-2019 11:07 AM #38
      Facial expressions of the crowd say all that needs to be said.

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      09-10-2019 11:14 AM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      Facial expressions of the crowd say all that needs to be said.
      The greatest reaction in the crowd shots is definitely this one:
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      09-10-2019 11:21 AM #40
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      09-10-2019 11:23 AM #41
      The car is striking and its bringing some boldness back to BMW. That I appreciate. However, the execution of the grille in particular is ridiculous. I'm sure we'll all get used to it in due time but I can't help but think BMW should've gone with this if they just had to do the chipmunk thing:

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      09-10-2019 11:28 AM #42
      Have to wonder: did they not focus group this, or did they just ignore everyone telling them how ugly it is?

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      09-10-2019 11:32 AM #43
      Hopefully, the sedan version of the coupe will be more subdued.

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      09-10-2019 11:35 AM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      Have to wonder: did they not focus group this, or did they just ignore everyone telling them how ugly it is?
      It's the "Double-Kidney Tastelessness Void".
      In the absence of Pontiac filling the universe with questionable double-kidney designs, BMW is now cosmically compelled to do so.

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      09-10-2019 11:44 AM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      Have to wonder: did they not focus group this, or did they just ignore everyone telling them how ugly it is?
      I would guess they had people telling them it was awful, but rationalized it as similar in nature to feedback on the Bangle-era designs. But TBH I do not see this growing on me like E60 or E90 did, not at all.

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      09-10-2019 11:45 AM #46
      everything looks great except the chipmunk grill. gross

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      09-10-2019 11:58 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      I would guess they had people telling them it was awful, but rationalized it as similar in nature to feedback on the Bangle-era designs. But TBH I do not see this growing on me like E60 or E90 did, not at all.
      I don't know. The real polarizing designs of that era such as the "Bangle butt" never really caught on, and I think they eventually realized it was a mistake.



      I never had a beef with the E90.

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      09-10-2019 12:05 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by Nealric View Post
      I don't know. The real polarizing designs of that era such as the "Bangle butt" never really caught on, and I think they eventually realized it was a mistake.

      I never had a beef with the E90.
      The butt was definitely not something that was directly copied by others, but there's no doubt many of Bangle's other design elements (i.e. flame surfacing) influenced many designers.
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      09-10-2019 12:16 PM #49
      They made the Lexus RC even uglier. Amazing.
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      09-10-2019 12:45 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      The butt was definitely not something that was directly copied by others, but there's no doubt many of Bangle's other design elements (i.e. flame surfacing) influenced many designers.
      The W221, LS460, and other cars I can't think of pretty much copied it imo.

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