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      09-10-2019 08:45 AM #26
      Cool car, I just hope they don't offer a sunroof on it.

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      09-10-2019 08:54 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by JET70 View Post
      Cool car, I just hope they don't offer a sunroof on it.
      SO now we aren't just not reading the copy, we're also not looking at the pictures?
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      09-10-2019 08:57 AM #28
      I feel nothing for this car.

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      09-10-2019 09:02 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Interesting. Why aren’t we getting this one?
      Because it's an expensive hatchback

      North America will get the SUV version - the ID.4. VW had a preview of it on their stand.

      Last edited by Hajduk; 09-10-2019 at 09:16 AM.

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      09-10-2019 09:47 AM #30
      color me interested. I like it. I won't buy it, but I like it.
      praise the lowered
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      09-10-2019 09:48 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by col.mustard View Post
      color me interested. I like it. I won't buy it, but I like it.
      You probably won't be able to buy the ID.3, anyway.

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      09-10-2019 09:49 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      Because it's an expensive hatchback

      North America will get the SUV version - the ID.4. VW had a preview of it on their stand.

      This looks good!

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      09-10-2019 09:49 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Maximum_Download View Post
      SO now we aren't just not reading the copy, we're also not looking at the pictures?
      Sorry that was just more of a bash towards VW and their ability to make a vehicle that doesn't fill its floorboard with water.

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      09-10-2019 10:53 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      Because it's an expensive hatchback

      North America will get the SUV version - the ID.4. VW had a preview of it on their stand.
      Nice, that's what I'm looking for in my next EV. Thanks for posting this.

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      09-10-2019 11:02 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by JET70 View Post
      Sorry that was just more of a bash towards VW and their ability to make a vehicle that doesn't fill its floorboard with water.
      Did you mean "inability"?

      Also, they have a distinguished (although ancient) history of being nearly watertight.
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      09-10-2019 11:17 AM #36
      I dig it overall. I'd like to see a performance spec ID in the future.

      GTI ---> ETI
      Hot Hatch ---> Watt Hatch

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      09-10-2019 11:19 AM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by Form Ocean View Post
      I dig it overall. I'd like to see a performance spec ID in the future.

      GTI ---> ETI
      GTE makes more sense. But there is already a Golf GTE

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      09-10-2019 11:20 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by Form Ocean View Post
      I dig it overall. I'd like to see a performance spec ID in the future.

      GTI ---> ETI
      Hot Hatch ---> Watt Hatch
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      Although technically it already is a watt hatch.


      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      GTE makes more sense. But there is already a Golf GTE
      They already have indeed used "GTE", but it might be a good time/reason to rebrand that into the electric performance version. I say that, but I think GTI could work there just as well and give clarity/continuity.
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      09-10-2019 01:38 PM #39
      Overall, I dig the design and a 340 mile range in the ID.3 Max would be more than sufficient for year round use, including road trips (I'd fly if I had to cross more than 3 states). Hopefully the ID.4X will have similar stats in terms of range.

      So what will happen to the E-Golf? Will it no longer be offered in the Mk8?

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      09-10-2019 01:41 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by masa8888 View Post
      Overall, I dig the design and a 340 mile range in the ID.3 Max would be more than sufficient for year round use, including road trips (I'd fly if I had to cross more than 3 states). Hopefully the ID.4X will have similar stats in terms of range.

      So what will happen to the E-Golf? Will it no longer be offered in the Mk8?
      From what I've heard before (assuming it's true) the E-Golf is dead. Perhaps they will run up production for the U.S. so they can sell an electric car until the ID4 makes its debut, but that'd probably be it. Once that car is here all EVs will be MEB-based, which makes sense.
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      09-10-2019 02:13 PM #41
      eGolf was a compliance car made to meet the CARB ZEV mandate. It has no future once MEB came into focus.

      We won't get ID3 but we will get ID4 and Audi Q4 etron. Both SUVs are due sometime next year.

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      09-11-2019 09:42 AM #42


      Volkswagen to launch high-performance ID 3 R by 2024

      An R version of the electric ID 3 will arrive in under five years, using four-wheel drive and performance e-motors, promising even better acceleration than the current Golf GTI.

      Volkswagen sales boss Jurgen Stackmann said: “If there is a future for R it must be electric, it’s very simple. It won’t be next year, because we need to define what R is in the electric world."

      In the interim, VW will dip its toes in electrified performance with a plug-in hybrid Touareg R, said Stackmann.

      “Clearly the word R means high output combustion engine, and that will now move to higher output plug-in hybrid systems and then it will move onwards to R electric. We need to get firm on our electric vision fast.”Talking about an ID 3 R, Stackmann said the solution must address range and performance.

      “Today, if you look at high performance and electric, it’s actually a huge compromise, and you pay the penalty with a small range.

      “We should be able to deliver something meaningful in under five years but it takes a team of developers, and it’s turf without a lot of expertise at the moment. We have to start that journey.”

      VW R&D chief Frank Welsch said that a performance ID 3 was one of his top priorities to optimise the ID 3 over the coming years. “We should have the same as cars such as the Golf, the GTI and R. People like performance and I’m sure people will love performance in ID cars too.”

      He added: “The situation is different - even in the normal ID, we have good performance right from the very beginning, you just touch the pedal and you feel the punch. From 0-60km is like the GTI. No GTI is faster than the ID 3. At the upper end, of course GTI is better.”

      The ID R race car, currently breaking records at various locations around the world including Pikes Peak and the Nurburgring, is key to showing the public that electric performance can be even better than traditional performance, said Welsch.

      Talking about requirements for an ID 3 R, he said: “We need four wheel drive and a performance e-motor. It won’t be called GTI, let’s see whether it’s R or something else.”

      “In under five years is okay. We have a lot of other work to do with other ID models and the Golf, Tiguan and so on, before then.”


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      09-11-2019 09:53 AM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      Tell me again why North America can't get this car?

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      09-11-2019 10:19 AM #44
      Shame I wasn't able to see it in person given that they have must spent some time driving around here for the pictures. My biggest gripe about the design, based on what I see here, is that large black panel in front of the windshield.

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      09-11-2019 11:10 AM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by spockcat View Post
      Tell me again why North America can't get this car?
      Blame Hawc.

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      09-11-2019 11:33 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by article
      It won’t be called GTI
      Then it's only a matter of time before the term "GTI" is dead.

      If it doesn't carry over to electrics and they eventually replace gassers (even if it's a ridiculously pessimistic 50 years) then the moniker is doomed.
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      09-11-2019 11:47 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Then it's only a matter of time before the term "GTI" is dead.

      If it doesn't carry over to electrics and they eventually replace gassers (even if it's a ridiculously pessimistic 50 years) then the moniker is doomed.


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      09-11-2019 11:53 AM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by John A View Post
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      Yes, I know they can do it, but the interview quoted the guy in charge of electrification as saying that the GTI moniker will not make the transition to the new electric car. That is effectively killing it, which is why I had added that quote from the article.

      Quote Originally Posted by Frank Welsch
      We need four wheel drive and a performance e-motor. It won’t be called GTI, let’s see whether it’s R or something else.
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      09-11-2019 11:55 AM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Then it's only a matter of time before the term "GTI" is dead. .
      Perhaps he meant that there won't be a ID.3 GTI - as long as the Golf GTI still exists. VW is reluctant to use the GTI name other than on the Golf and Polo. By contrast, it seems like VW is willing to slap the R name on anything

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      09-11-2019 11:56 AM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      Perhaps he meant that there won't be a ID.3 GTI - as long as the Golf GTI still exists. VW is reluctant to use the GTI name other than on the Golf and Polo.
      Therein lies the problem.
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