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    1. 08-14-2019 05:41 PM #1
      After nearly 22,000 miles, Motortrend wrapped up the review of their Giulia.

      https://www.motortrend.com/cars/alfa...review-verdict

      Some people worry the machines will rise up against us when they become self-aware, but I reckon they'll all be too self-conscious to try it. If my long-term 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia heard half the mean things folks said about it, it would never leave the garage. That would be a crying shame, because like all stereotypes, those nasty generalizations aren't really true. The Alfa's a great car, no matter what the internet says.

      Faced with a decision between a technological marvel and a car that inspires you to drive, we took inspiration. Every time I mindlessly caressed the big, metal shift paddles, every time I turned the knob to Dynamic mode, every time I whipped around a freeway cloverleaf and dreamed about skipping work and going for a drive in the mountains instead, I remembered why cars like this win awards.



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      08-14-2019 05:59 PM #2
      A glowing review by MT secures the Alfa's resale value!
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      08-14-2019 06:11 PM #4
      This nose is hideous.

      It will follow the same path as the ATS. Another "great" idea that nobody buys.

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      08-14-2019 06:33 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post
      This nose is hideous.

      It will follow the same path as the ATS. Another "great" idea that nobody buys.
      Eh, my brother bought a Giulia Quattroformaggi a few months ago and has loved it. If I had to replace my A6 right now it would probably be this car as well just in normal spec like the car in MT just in red w/brown interior. I don't think Alfa intends to beat ze Germans out of the gate, but use this car to re-establish the brand in the US. Also I imagine the Stelvio is stealing a lot of Giulia sales right now per the general SUV craze.
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    7. 08-14-2019 07:18 PM #6
      This car really shines in a way that so many so called sports sedans today miss the mark. It makes a physical connection with the driver in a way that very few can today at any price.

    8. 08-14-2019 07:26 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      This car really shines in a way that so many so called sports sedans today miss the mark. It makes a physical connection with the driver in a way that very few can today at any price.
      ...with an automatic transmission.
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    9. 08-14-2019 07:34 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by adam1991 View Post
      ...with an automatic transmission.
      This car has a manual option in Europe and other countries too. Can you imagine how near perfection it would be with the proper manual?
      It's still a great drive over all though, that's all the more incredible.

      That being said it's a big car in my view and that makes it more suitable for an automatic. I'm really focused on the manual for compact and subcompact models.

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      08-14-2019 07:46 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      This car has a manual option in Europe and other countries too. Can you imagine how near perfection it would be with the proper manual?
      It's still a great drive over all though, that's all the more incredible.

      That being said it's a big car in my view and that makes it more suitable for an automatic. I'm really focused on the manual for compact and subcompact models.
      Wow, another thing you know knowing about.
      It is a compact car...
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      08-14-2019 08:25 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by BlakeV View Post
      This nose is hideous.

      It will follow the same path as the ATS. Another "great" idea that nobody buys.
      You're not wrong in that this will eventually fail. But I have to give FCA credit for doing a much better job than GM. This looks & drives better than an ATS. There's a case for ownership here in a way that there wasn't with the ATS

    12. 08-14-2019 09:03 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      Wow, another thing you know knowing about.
      It is a compact car...
      Wrong. It's considered a "D Class" car in Europe, which they call "Mid Size" but today in my book that makes it a
      "big car" .

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      08-14-2019 09:08 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      Wrong. It's considered a "D Class" car in Europe, which they call "Mid Size" but today in my book that makes it a
      "big car" .
      as much as i agree with you, a midsize car in Europe is a compact in North America...which makes no sense at all. The Giulia is a midsize, but here we call it a compact because you can't play football on the rear seat. Canadians follow the American standard because we can't play hocket on the back seat.
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      08-14-2019 09:17 PM #13
      Car and Driver’s long term Giulia was pretty terrible. 13 trips to the dealer in 30k miles. EIGHTY DAYS out of service.

      https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...bility-update/

      They loved driving it when they actually could though.

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      08-14-2019 09:25 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      Wrong. It's considered a "D Class" car in Europe, which they call "Mid Size" but today in my book that makes it a
      "big car" .
      Wrong.
      It is considered a compact*executive*car in the North America. Which is where you live golfy. So just give it up and go away. Or we will just keep reporting you.
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      08-14-2019 09:27 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      Wrong.
      It is considered a compact*executive*car in the North America. Which is where you live golfy. So just give it up and go away. Or we will just keep reporting you.
      "Compacts" are bloody huge these days. Have the EPA classifications even grown as much as the advertising claims? IIRC many so-called compact sedans today are EPA midsizers. See: Civic, Elantra, etc.

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      08-14-2019 09:35 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      "Compacts" are bloody huge these days. Have the EPA classifications even grown as much as the advertising claims? IIRC many so-called compact sedans today are EPA midsizers. See: Civic, Elantra, etc.
      Not arguing that they have grown. Just countering a trolls comments with facts.
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      08-14-2019 09:36 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      "Compacts" are bloody huge these days. Have the EPA classifications even grown as much as the advertising claims? IIRC many so-called compact sedans today are EPA midsizers. See: Civic, Elantra, etc.
      yeah. you look at a 1994 Honda Accord (midsize) or 1992 Taurus (fullsize) and god damn they're smaller than today's conpacts.
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      08-14-2019 09:41 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      yeah. you look at a 1994 Honda Accord (midsize) or 1992 Taurus (fullsize) and god damn they're smaller than today's conpacts.
      That is what happens when you make them safer.
      And appease the masses who buy them...
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    20. 08-14-2019 09:42 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      Wrong.
      It is considered a compact*executive*car in the North America. Which is where you live golfy. So just give it up and go away. Or we will just keep reporting you.
      The place of origin is where the car was primarily designed for Europe the Giulia is definitely considered a D Class passenger car.

      I'm following the forum rules, are you?

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      08-14-2019 09:42 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by Sporin View Post
      Car and Driver’s long term Giulia was pretty terrible. 13 trips to the dealer in 30k miles. EIGHTY DAYS out of service.

      https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...bility-update/

      They loved driving it when they actually could though.
      Big difference here being that's the high performance QF while Motor Trend has been long term testing the 4 banger Ti model.
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    22. 08-14-2019 09:44 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by chucchinchilla View Post
      Big difference here being that's the high performance QF while Motor Trend has been long term testing the 4 banger Ti model.

      I recall in one review that they preferred the lesser model with the 4 cylinder because the nose of the car was lighter and that made the handling even better? Do you remember hearing this anywhere? The 4 cyl with stick grabs my attention the most.

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      08-14-2019 09:48 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      Not arguing that they have grown. Just countering a trolls comments with facts.
      Fact: The Giulia is a mid-size according to the current EPA classification system.

      They can advertise it as compact all they want, it's not compact. Everything smaller than an F150 is not compact.

      Edit:

      More facts - According to the NHTSA, the Giulia is not compact but either medium or heavy depending on trim. Compact is <3000 lbs.

      According to the IIHS, the Giulia is also either a midsize or a large car depending on whether it is over 3500 lbs.

      It is not compact.
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      08-14-2019 09:53 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      I recall in one review that they preferred the lesser model with the 4 cylinder because the nose of the car was lighter and that made the handling even better? Do you remember hearing this anywhere? The 4 cyl with stick grabs my attention the most.
      I don't remember the review but the same has been said about a lot of cars with base engines like the Porsche 912 vs 911. Sure it's slightly slower (Giulia regular is only 1.5 sec slower than QF) but you get a cheaper to maintain, insure, fuel, etc. car but practically all the rest and yes a slightly lighter front end. Sounds good to me.
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      08-14-2019 10:09 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by chucchinchilla View Post
      I don't remember the review but the same has been said about a lot of cars with base engines like the Porsche 912 vs 911. Sure it's slightly slower (Giulia regular is only 1.5 sec slower than QF) but you get a cheaper to maintain, insure, fuel, etc. car but practically all the rest and yes a slightly lighter front end. Sounds good to me.
      Biggest problem for the lesser model is the non-defeatable traction/stability control. That and the lack of a manual.

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