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      08-13-2019 10:26 AM #51
      Honestly, with the rise of the ZF 8AT and other great autos, I won't really miss the stick.

      I mean, at this point there are two kinds of stick shift cars:

      -Cars you have to rev the nuts off to get power (like my s2000) and you can get caught in the wrong gear and that kind of sucks

      -Cars with so much power that you don't need to shift anyways (turbos, V8s, etc) and it doesn't really matter


      Yeah, shifting on a windy back road will always be fun, but other than that, I have grown to love the near-instant power of a good auto, where you just jab the throttle and go. I was "manuel only" for a long time, but now...eh.
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      My wife wanted a SUV with a manual transmission. I suggested a Wrangler, she said no way, too masculine

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      08-13-2019 10:27 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      How very short sighted of you.
      You really think in a few hundred years people will still be using ICE?
      In a few hundred years we will figure autonomous driving out. Possibly along with synthetic gasoline.

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      08-13-2019 10:31 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Honestly, with the rise of the ZF 8AT and other great autos, I won't really miss the stick.

      I mean, at this point there are two kinds of stick shift cars:

      -Cars you have to rev the nuts off to get power (like my s2000) and you can get caught in the wrong gear and that kind of sucks

      -Cars with so much power that you don't need to shift anyways (turbos, V8s, etc) and it doesn't really matter


      Yeah, shifting on a windy back road will always be fun, but other than that, I have grown to love the near-instant power of a good auto, where you just jab the throttle and go. I was "manuel only" for a long time, but now...eh.
      As the article said too, all manuals are not created equal. The crappy manual in my Z is what pushed me over to the auto side, and I haven't looked back, at least for daily drivers. If I ever get another manual car, the gearbox + clutch are gonna have to be "my old 92 Accord w/an H22A swap + Quaife + upgraded synchros" perfect

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      08-13-2019 10:32 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      How very short sighted of you.
      You really think in a few hundred years people will still be using ICE?
      Do you know how I know you didn't spot the problem?
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      08-13-2019 10:43 AM #55
      Regardless of whose fault it is that manuals are going away... they're going away. IMO, once we've accumulated generations of people that can't drive them coupled with few makes that offer them in anything besides poverty spec, what incentive do people have to bother?
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      sprayed it on, waited some time, and proceeded to go at it with a scraper, some pliers, and a lot of f-ing hard work.

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      08-13-2019 10:52 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Fe2O3 View Post
      Regardless of whose fault it is that manuals are going away... they're going away. IMO, once we've accumulated generations of people that can't drive them coupled with few makes that offer them in anything besides poverty spec, what incentive do people have to bother?
      So you are saying it is the boomers fault?
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      08-13-2019 11:06 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      In a few hundred years we will figure autonomous driving out. Possibly along with synthetic gasoline.
      I think synthetic gas should be a thing. Clean burning and powerful and renewable. If the lobbyists and oil companies will allow it that is.

      Hobbyists will never get rid of all ICE, somebody will figure out a workaround.
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      08-13-2019 11:30 AM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      Exactly.
      As more and more EVs become available the remaining ICE vehicles should all become manuals.
      you speaka ma language.
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      08-13-2019 11:33 AM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      I think synthetic gas should be a thing. Clean burning and powerful and renewable. If the lobbyists and oil companies will allow it that is.

      Hobbyists will never get rid of all ICE, somebody will figure out a workaround.
      exactly. i hope electric cars take over commuting soon. it makes no sense to keep building gas/CVT Nissan Rogues. Make those into fully electric 100% recyclable (even compostable) appliances. But keep making a small batch ICEs with no auto option.
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    11. 08-13-2019 12:01 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by Just Another Sweater View Post
      Another stupid thread by this guy.
      It's quite cozy living inside your head like this.
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      You are like the new Nightshift1983 of this forum dude. Just keep your fingers off the keyboard unless you have something valuable to say

    12. 08-13-2019 12:10 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by Just Another Sweater View Post
      Make it, sell it, make more to satisfy demand. Holding time cost money.

      Maybe AC1DD needs to take a cost accounting class.

      It's all about opportunity cost.

      Then you can think of me and others every time we go to the dealer and we walk away because they have ZERO manual units on the lot.


      I know all about opportunity cost, you just lost sales (profit) on me and many others with ZERO manual units on the lot .

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      08-13-2019 12:14 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      Then you can think of me and others every time we go to the dealer and we walk away because they have ZERO manual units on the lot.


      I know all about opportunity cost, you just lost sales (profit) on me and many others with ZERO manual units on the lot .

      And the lose flooring costs and profit when they KEEP them on the lot for months waiting around for someone like you (who probably isn' tgoing to buy new anyway) to show up. Guess which is more likely to happen, that they turn a profit off you, or break even/lose money waiting for someone like you? Sorry, it's not gonna be the former.
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      08-13-2019 12:16 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      Then you can think of me and others every time we go to the dealer and we walk away because they have ZERO manual units on the lot.


      I know all about opportunity cost, you just lost sales (profit) on me and many others with ZERO manual units on the lot .
      If you actually wanted one you would order one.
      But you are nothing but talk and no action. So just go back to doing nothing and stop complaining.
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      08-13-2019 12:17 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      Then you can think of me and others every time we go to the dealer and we walk away because they have ZERO manual units on the lot.


      I know all about opportunity cost, you just lost sales (profit) on me and many others with ZERO manual units on the lot .
      You are full of ****.
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      08-13-2019 12:20 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      You are full of ****.
      At the rate he spews it on the forum I doubt he is full of it anymore.
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      08-13-2019 12:22 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      If you actually wanted one you would order one.
      But you are nothing but talk and no action. So just go back to doing nothing and stop complaining.
      When an ordered car is MSRP and an off-the-lot car is 10-20% off, it's hard to be surprised that few people order anything.

      Also, buying without a test drive is insane.

    18. 08-13-2019 12:29 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      And the lose flooring costs and profit when they KEEP them on the lot for months waiting around for someone like you (who probably isn' tgoing to buy new anyway) to show up. Guess which is more likely to happen, that they turn a profit off you, or break even/lose money waiting for someone like you? Sorry, it's not gonna be the former.

      It doesn't cost much at all to keep one or two manuals on the lot in a location that has high traffic, the likelihood they will be sold is actually pretty good if it is say a Civic, Fit, Corolla, Mazda 3, Toyota Yaris ,ect. Logic is good, try it some time, MBA classes need to teach that aspect of things to you.

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      08-13-2019 12:33 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      It doesn't cost much at all to keep one or two manuals on the lot in a location that has high traffic, the likelihood they will be sold is actually pretty good if it is say a Civic, Fit, Corolla, Mazda 3, Toyota Yaris ,ect. Logic is good, try it some time, MBA classes need to teach that aspect of things to you.
      So you are ignoring the people on the forum that have actually managed dealerships telling you otherwise?
      Are you that ignorant or are you just trolling?
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      08-13-2019 12:41 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by NeverEnoughCars View Post
      So you are ignoring the people on the forum that have actually managed dealerships telling you otherwise?
      Are you that ignorant or are you just trolling?
      It's why he is on my, and should be on your, ignore list. There's no point in arguing with someone who doesn't want to learn from those who have successfully done the very thing he's arguing against.
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      08-13-2019 12:46 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      It doesn't cost much at all to keep one or two manuals on the lot in a location that has high traffic, the likelihood they will be sold is actually pretty good if it is say a Civic, Fit, Corolla, Mazda 3, Toyota Yaris ,ect. Logic is good, try it some time, MBA classes need to teach that aspect of things to you.


      Car costs money every day it is on a dealer lot. Stick to your day job.
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      08-13-2019 12:56 PM #72
      Sigh....again with the manuels.

      Manuels are dying because automatic transmissions have gotten so much better. There used to be penalties in buying automatics - less responsive, worse fuel economy, slower acceleration.

      Those penalties are gone.

      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      It doesn't cost much at all to keep one or two manuals on the lot in a location that has high traffic, the likelihood they will be sold is actually pretty good if it is say a Civic, Fit, Corolla, Mazda 3, Toyota Yaris ,ect. Logic is good, try it some time, MBA classes need to teach that aspect of things to you.
      Please stop.

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      08-13-2019 01:09 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post


      Car costs money every day it is on a dealer lot. Stick to your day job.
      And that doesn't count the cost of development and federalization. I'm a manual junkie, but I also understand enough about business that if (even at a 15% take rate) there may not be enough of a reason to develop a manual, federalize it, put it into production, keep them in inventory (from the manufacturer's side) and dole them out to dealers who then have to have them sit for longer periods of time.

      Look at the 2-door Golf. It went away, even though the MkVII was already in production for a couple of years. This was solely because of the costs of inventory for a slow-seller, as everything else was already done.
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      08-13-2019 01:10 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by AC1DD View Post
      MBA classes need to teach that aspect of things to you.
      Shocking that you don't know what they teach in MBA classes.
      Quote Originally Posted by Volkl View Post
      My wife wanted a SUV with a manual transmission. I suggested a Wrangler, she said no way, too masculine

    26. 08-13-2019 01:20 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Shocking that you don't know what they teach in MBA classes.
      They do, but with a "wink and nod" Just like they do with "ethics".

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