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      07-08-2019 09:06 PM #1
      I had this strange moment in traffic today... surrounded by FOUR MK4 Golfs/Jettas.
      At first I thought "Oh noes, vwvortex MK4 lovers have finally found me. They are going to force me to grow a rocking beard, get trendy tattoos, and wear skinny jeans!"
      But serious.. four.
      I noticed a few more too.
      Two were TDIs though.. which is probably what many of them are.
      I did not look to see if any had CELs.

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      07-08-2019 09:12 PM #2
      Since I bought one, I've noticed this as well. Jettas, Golfs, and New Beetles are still a very common sight around here. I really like mine, so I'm not totally surprised. They're small, have simple engines that were pretty old tech at the time so all the bugs were long worked out, and they were pretty high-end compared to other economy cars at the time, and the styling looked pretty good during this era, too. They're likable cars. I really don't feel the same about the next generation 2.5 era cars.


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      07-08-2019 09:12 PM #3
      Weird. I had the same thought a couple of days ago. These things are everywhere in my area, and they're 15+ years old.
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      07-08-2019 09:18 PM #4
      Because VW sales exploded with them, and many are super dirt ($1500-3000) cheap now. I still see a ton of B5 era Passats around here too, amazingly enough.
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      07-08-2019 09:30 PM #6
      They seem to have disappeared when I lived in the Midwest but there are plenty running around here in the PNW. I see virtually no 1.8t or VR6 models though.
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      07-08-2019 09:36 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      They seem to have disappeared when I lived in the Midwest but there are plenty running around here in the PNW. I see virtually no 1.8t or VR6 models though.
      yep.
      All TDIs.... and debadged 2.slows with stretch.

    8. 07-08-2019 09:58 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      . I see virtually no 1.8t or VR6 models though.
      Ditto in my area most are beat up 2.slows with the black steelies in dark blue or silver or top of the line R32s looking crispy clean

      I will admit my favorite R car was the MKIV R32

    9. 07-08-2019 09:54 PM #9
      I'm still driving my 98 NB. It's so last century with that cassette tape deck. It's pretty easy and cheap to keep going with rockauto.com for replacement parts.

      MKIVs do seem to attract other MKIVs in the area.


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      07-08-2019 09:29 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      and many are super dirt ($1500-3000) cheap now. .
      Now?! Its been like that for a decade
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      07-08-2019 10:22 PM #11
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      Now?! Its been like that for a decade
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      07-08-2019 09:21 PM #12
      They are problematic and have issues, but most of the issues are fairly easily and cheaply fixed. That often means you’re mad at it, but you’ll fix it one more time. What I mean by that is that the engine itself is okay, but coil packs are cheap so you buy them in order to still have a car.

      Hmmmmm... I wonder what the average replacement interval is for MkIV coil packs.
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      07-08-2019 11:18 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      They are problematic and have issues, but most of the issues are fairly easily and cheaply fixed. That often means you’re mad at it, but you’ll fix it one more time. What I mean by that is that the engine itself is okay, but coil packs are cheap so you buy them in order to still have a car.

      Hmmmmm... I wonder what the average replacement interval is for MkIV coil packs.
      To be fair, crap coilpacks was more of a 1.8T problem than a MkIV-wide issue.

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      07-09-2019 06:53 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by IJM View Post
      To be fair, crap coilpacks was more of a 1.8T problem than a MkIV-wide issue.
      Well to really be fair no 1.8t actually had coilpacks

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      07-10-2019 12:47 AM #15
      Not only do I see a ton of them on the road but i daily drive one with almost 200k miles....coilpacks have never been a issue for me as the previous owner installed r8 replacements.

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      07-09-2019 09:07 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by IJM View Post
      To be fair, crap coilpacks was more of a 1.8T problem than a MkIV-wide issue.
      The coilpack was the first thing to go wrong on my Mk4 Jetta VR6!
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      07-08-2019 09:41 PM #17
      I'd drive a nice late mk4 VR6 GLI today if they weren't largely beat/rusted half to death by now. They look cool and sound cool.

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      07-08-2019 09:52 PM #18
      Had a GLI for a brief moment. My ex-gf bought it (but I was the one that signed the loan). It was really nice on the inside with its two tone interior... however the coolant leaked into the harness. Car was total junk in a very short amount of time.

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      07-08-2019 10:24 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      I'd drive a nice late mk4 VR6 GLI today if they weren't largely beat/rusted half to death by now. They look cool and sound cool.
      They seem to be generally pretty well rust proofed. The trouble spot is the front fender/rocker area because road debris piles up behind the fender lining and holds water.


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      07-09-2019 02:00 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by r_fostoria View Post
      They seem to be generally pretty well rust proofed. The trouble spot is the front fender/rocker area because road debris piles up behind the fender lining and holds water.

      Also the hatches rust in several locations: right under the window/seal, around the hatch handle and at the bottom of the hatch from standing water on the rear bumper.

      I've seen a handful that have some rust on the bottom of the doors and at the rear fender well areas.

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      07-14-2019 12:41 AM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by r_fostoria View Post
      They seem to be generally pretty well rust proofed. The trouble spot is the front fender/rocker area because road debris piles up behind the fender lining and holds water.

      This is still a problem. Every few months I pull out about 3 handfuls of leaves, pinestraw, mud and **** from both sides on my 2013 Jetta. And in that same area the OEM mudflaps have rubbed away the paint down to bare metal.

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      07-14-2019 08:36 AM #22
      "If Mk4 golfs/Jettas were so bad, why so many still on the road?"

      It has a very simple answer. It is because VW had DDDDRRRRAAAAGGGGGGGGGEEEEEDDDD the production of Mk4 production for a very LLLOOONNNNGGG time.

      The Volkswagen Golf Mk4 (or VW Type 1J) is a compact car, the fourth generation of the Volkswagen Golf and the successor to the Volkswagen Golf Mk3. Launched in October 1997, it was the best selling car in Europe in 2001.

      It was replaced in 2004 by the Volkswagen Golf Mk5 in European markets. However, manufacturing continued in South America, Mexico and China for developing markets until 2010.
      You probably won't see any MK4 from China, but there are possibilities that you saw some from South America or Mexico. Also after MK5 debuted in Canada, VW (of Canada?) was selling restyled MK4 as Golf/Jetta City until 2010.



      Please don't think because they are good. They were the VW version GM's Cavalier/Sunfire. (start it bad, but kind of ok because VW keep making them)

      BTW, I was an (lease) owner of a MY2000 VW GTI 1.8T. (1.8T never loose) After the 4 year lease, I know how to replace all the exterior and most interior lights. That POS keep burning light bulbs like firecrackers.
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      07-14-2019 09:42 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post

      Please don't think because they are good. They were the VW version GM's Cavalier/Sunfire. (start it bad, but kind of ok because VW keep making them)
      IMO the MK3 fills that spot. I thought the MK4 was leaps and bounds better than the MK3 personally. That isn't necessarily saying much.

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      07-14-2019 10:01 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post

      It has a very simple answer. It is because VW had DDDDRRRRAAAAGGGGGGGGGEEEEEDDDD the production of Mk4 production for a very LLLOOONNNNGGG time.*
      *In Canada. They're still all over the place around here, where production stopped for the 2006 model year. A 7 year model run is pretty standard.

      Please don't think because they are good. They were the VW version GM's Cavalier/Sunfire.
      I'm all for hyperbole, but this is ridiculous. These Volkswagens were on a different plane entirely than the Cavalier, and that's more of a statement on the crappiness of the Cavalier than praise for VW. In fact, I believe the MKIV Jetta was the benchmark car that GM used for the development of the much more refined Cobalt. If anything, they're like the VW version of GM's Buick Century, a car I still see on a semi regular basis.


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      07-08-2019 10:47 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      I did not look to see if any had CELs.
      A couple years ago, a couple Mk4 kids crashed on my front lawn in a snow flurry. No joke, not more than a dusting in the road, but those f***ers crashed because of bald tires and came within a foot of taking out the tree in my front yard.

      I remember taking a look at the dash and the damn thing was lit up like a Christmas tree. The tires were so bald that we couldn’t push it out of the snow - the dudes called a friend with a Jeep to come yank them out
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