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      05-23-2019 09:07 AM #1
      ...I noticed an abundance of Tacoma frames. New ones sitting on pallets, and rusted out ones in a pig pile. Is this still an on-going thing? I vaguely remember the frames being replaced or the trucks being bought back in the early 2000's. 15+ years later, I see this.

      What is the current state of Tacoma frames, and are/were 4Runners ever effected?


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      05-23-2019 09:23 AM #2
      Yes frame replacements are still ongoing, up to model year 2010 I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

      4Runners are built in Japan and are not effected.

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      05-23-2019 01:39 PM #3
      Yes, frame replacement is still ongoing for 2005-2010 Tacomas, as well as some Tundras/Sequioas. These were American built trucks with frames made by Dana IIRC.

      Japanese trucks, including the 4runner, have not had the same issues.

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      05-23-2019 02:14 PM #4
      had my 06 Taco frame replaced last year....

      rental car for a month (big rush to get it in...not so much to work on it) didn't care. Amazing how much new stuff was put on a 12 YO 120K mile truck. Looking online it's 10-14K per truck!

      guy that did it has a part time helper and he's been doing it 40 hrs week for ever.
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      05-23-2019 02:51 PM #5
      My god. I wonder how many hours the job pays...

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      05-23-2019 02:52 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Strange Mud View Post
      had my 06 Taco frame replaced last year....

      rental car for a month (big rush to get it in...not so much to work on it) didn't care. Amazing how much new stuff was put on a 12 YO 120K mile truck. Looking online it's 10-14K per truck!

      guy that did it has a part time helper and he's been doing it 40 hrs week for ever.
      My mother had the frame on her '05 repalced two years ago. Yeah, she's 76 and drives a 2WD Taco, king cab...manual.

      What can I say. She likes to shift gears herself.
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      05-23-2019 02:56 PM #7
      it took one week. I assume he does decent on it.

      lots of parts...brake fuel lines...spare mount....control arms...rear springs unless you already had them replaced....cab & bed mounts...etc
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      05-23-2019 03:16 PM #8
      Who took the blame for this? I used to work next door to the Dana plant that made the NUMMI frames.

      Never heard anything negative said about Dana. I always figured Dana made them to Toyota spec, and Toyota is the one that got it wrong.

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      05-23-2019 03:37 PM #9
      I was at a Toyota dealer a few weeks ago and noticed this was still going on as well.

      When I was shopping for a GX470, I saw quite a few rusted frames for those as well (same frame as the 4Runner). However, there is no recall open.
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      05-23-2019 03:55 PM #10
      This thread needs more:

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      05-23-2019 04:43 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by chuckster1 View Post
      My mother had the frame on her '05 repalced two years ago. Yeah, she's 76 and drives a 2WD Taco, king cab...manual.

      What can I say. She likes to shift gears herself.
      So you're saying your mom likes to handle the knob?
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      05-23-2019 05:27 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Dal97GLX View Post
      Who took the blame for this? I used to work next door to the Dana plant that made the NUMMI frames.

      Never heard anything negative said about Dana. I always figured Dana made them to Toyota spec, and Toyota is the one that got it wrong.
      Dana paid Toyota 25 mil for this issue back in 2011.
      https://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/18/...tacoma-frames/
      I don't know if there have been additional payouts for later cases.
      The fact that paid Toyota anything shows they have some blame.

      FWIW- my local Toyota dealer told me it was GM's fault.

      And just to point out that part quality should be a big concern for any manufacturer regardless of source:
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-k...-idUSKBN1GH2SM

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      So yeah... Toyota dropped the ball by not checking - ever - to make sure those frames were to spec.

      My 20k mile 02 Tundra's frame was already more rusty than my $500 73 F100 farm truck was.
      Somebody should have shut it down and checked everything at some point.
      But when you start chasing profits and forget what got you where you to there to begin with... that happens.
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      05-23-2019 05:33 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by chuckster1 View Post
      My mother had the frame on her '05 repalced two years ago. Yeah, she's 76 and drives a 2WD Taco, king cab...manual.

      What can I say. She likes to shift gears herself.
      that's hot.....
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      05-23-2019 05:52 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Double-V View Post
      So you're saying your mom likes to handle the knob?

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      05-23-2019 06:12 PM #15
      I can't believe they even bother replacing the frame on 10-15 year old new england trucks. The buyback seemed to make more sense! Although I knew someone that had theirs bought back about 10 years ago and he got $14K or so for the truck (way above the market price, IIRC It was blue book +some), the problem he had was he was out a truck and there wasn't anything worth a damn for that money so he ended driving out of the dealership in a new Corolla (eewwww).

      Swapping a frame a clean truck takes some hours but I can't imagine doing it on a crusty old Toyota from the rust belt someone at Toyota must've run the numbers and figured that it was cheaper to pay for rental cars and shop labor than to buy the trucks back.

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      05-24-2019 05:58 AM #16
      idk how much Toyota really pays but my truck was valued (Kelly/Nada) around 12K. The web was speculating that much for rebuild. If Toyo had offered me 15K or a frame I would prefer the frame. at my age of 56 and the fact that my truck is no longer my DD unless something happens this will be the last truck I need to buy. It is a decent truck and except for recalls/normal maintenance/wear items I have only had to fix two things. a crank shaft seal (2-3 hrs labor) and the A/C leaks. I have tried filling but something in it is bad and haven't dealt with it. Crazy value for what is now a 14 YO truck.
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      05-24-2019 08:56 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      This thread needs more:

      Oh, I think those rotted frames saw plenty of salt already.
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      05-24-2019 09:04 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by 1badMKIrocco View Post
      I can't believe they even bother replacing the frame on 10-15 year old new england trucks. The buyback seemed to make more sense!
      I am sure they had big meeting regarding how to best handle the situation.
      I'm guessing they had three main concerns:

      1-What is the least expensive way to handle this situation?
      2-What is the best way to protect Toyota from rusty frame crash liability?
      3-What is the best way to protect the Toyota Truck reputation that makes them sell so well (at good profits)?

      Number 3 probably meant treating every truck as though it was worth fixing, even though contradictory to number 1.
      They also ran the risk of owners refusing to sell back unless at ridiculously high amount (see number 2), where as who would refuse a free new frame?

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      05-24-2019 09:10 AM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by DonL View Post
      Oh, I think those rotted frames saw plenty of salt already.
      A low-sodium diet from here-on-out should suffice then?
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