I just read that Cadillac will likely add XT4-V and XT5-V to their V-Series cars.
I don't know if $40K+ Caddys count as plebian or not tho.
Are we also considering the hi-po versions of the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Dodge Durango?
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Do I strictly speaking need a CUV? No, of course not. But it would make my life easier when we take road trips with our dog and all our stuff and all my photography gear, easier to get in/out as I get older, and having a higher ride height is frankly kind of a nice change. And if I'm already looking at them, I might as well make it a bit more interesting for myself and get a sportier version.
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Selling 2 6-speed cars with roughly 120k on them - ads will be posted soon
1) 2008 Audi A4 2.0T Quattro 6-speed sedan - 115k
2) 2013 Mazda3 iTouring 6-speed hatchback - 121k
I'm speaking more to the people who are prematurely declaring the very alive hot hatch dead to make performance crossovers seem like a choice they were forced to make.
Again though, for $30-50K, someone who wants a car that is fun to drive is spoiled for choice. Hell you could lower that to $20K.
Escape 2.0T - 245hp
RAV4 3.5 V6 (2 generations ago!) - 268hp
Jeep Cherokee 3.2 V6 - 271hp
Mitsubishi Airtrek/Outlander 2.0T (the first gen) - 245hp
Nissan X-Trail 2.0T - 280hp (this was JDM only and 2 generations ago)
Chevy Equinox 3.6 V6 (previous gen) - 300hp
Chevy Equinox 2.0T (current gen) - 252hp
GMC Terrain - see Equinox
Saturn Vue (with 3.5 Honda V6) - 250hp
Saturn Vue (with 3.6 GM V6) - 257hp
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Knock the compromise of CUVs all you want, but sedans (and...*braces*...even hatchbacks...) are even more useless in comparison. I will be the first to admit that my GTI is seriously lacking in "put things in it" ability next to my CX-5, and it rides like hot trash, but my CX-5 doesn't come in a flavor that chirps third or stays upright around on-ramps.
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Hot hatches don't sell in the USA. Crossovers sell. Boomers and X'ers buy crossovers because they're old and fat and lazy and won't tolerate a sedan h-point anymore.
Your reality where you think h-point and load lift height aren't relevant is completely out of line with the purchasing masses. As such, performance crossovers are not only here, they'll continue to proliferate as the average mass-consumer Boomer and X'er tries to cling to whatever pathetic existence they used to have by rationalizing the performance version of the crossover they have to exert zero effort to ingress or egress and "sit a little bit higher".
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And hot hatches don't sell? You better get on the phone with Honda, Hyundai and Volkswagen since you apparently know more than they do. In fact, the only versions of the Mk8 Golf VW is supposedly bringing to the US are the GTI and R. How do you reconcile that with hot hatches not selling here?
And we are talking about performance vehicles, which the masses have no interest in... not regular mainstream vehicles
0/3 for being in your emotions. I hope you enjoyed yourself, because I sure did
I hope this trim level develops more too, as others have said, I think it will.
I like how Ford offers the Edge Sport/ST & Explorer Sport.
JGC & Durango SRT are great options.
I like how the luxury manufacturers are making Stelvio Quadrifoglio, X3 M, GLC 63, etc. If nothing else I'll get one of those.
Current: '17 Tundra, '16 3 GT
Past/Sold: '13 Evo, '08 Si, '12 Mustang GT, '03 Evo VIII, '01 Golf 1.8T