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    1. Geriatric Member BRealistic's Avatar
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      05-17-2019 07:56 AM #51
      I always thought the older BMWs had heavy slow steering when I drove them (granted, a long time ago now).... I guess for high speed stability?
      As I mentioned before- wear and tear could make any vehicle have sloppy steering now.

      One that popped in my mind today- the Contour SVT.
      That's probably a future collectible too (and under appreciated now).
      Sweet sounding smooth revving V6.
      Decent manual.

      BUT... again... wear and tear.
      We are getting into complicated suspension geometry that rely on special suspension bushings that allow for passive rear steer.
      Those bushing shrink/get hard.. and the steering will surely suffer.
      I think there were kits to even remove the passive rear steering on the 2nd gen RX7.
      But that may have been for drag racing.

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      05-17-2019 08:33 AM #52
      Let's not forget these honorable mentions too.








      My mother had one of these in the mid 80s and I remember her tossing it around CA Hwys 18 and 330 like a rally driver (downhill of course).

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      05-17-2019 08:59 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by Volkl View Post
      Which rack did you have? I had a NA R-package, and the factory manual rack was pretty incredible.
      It was a '95 base.

    5. 05-17-2019 10:08 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      MR-2.
      CRX.
      2nd gen Probe/MX-6.
      2nd gen RX7.
      NX2000.
      ZX2.
      2nd gen Impulse.
      Many 80's affordable small sporty things had manual steering.
      But they need to be tight to be good now.
      I was gonna throw out that oddball choice here too, although I've never driven in one, only as a passenger with an old co-worker, so I dunno really how they feel, but MotorWeek opined that Lotus couldn't work their magic with the steering as they felt it was "vague and overboosted"...

      ...relevant comment begins at around 1:33 -



      But of course,
      by contemporary standards these days set by numb electric steering, it probably feels quite lively.

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      05-17-2019 10:39 AM #55
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      I was talking about the second gen impulse which was front-wheel drive or all-wheel drive.
      Affordable sporty cars back then usually heaviliy relied on existing parts bin stuff.
      That means a lot of those cars back then had steering gear straight from a small pickup, like the 1st gen rx7.
      That 1st gen impulse may use the isuzu pup steering gear

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      05-17-2019 11:10 AM #56
      ITR.

      Go snag a 98' in Championship White and thank me later.

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      05-17-2019 11:57 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfTango View Post
      If you can still find one.

      Not around my parts unless somebody made a garage queen out of one. Early 90's Sentra's just like to rust.

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      05-17-2019 01:01 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by Eye Candy White View Post
      ITR.

      Go snag a 98' in Championship White and thank me later.
      When insurance cuts him a cheque for the theft?
      Quote Originally Posted by cockerpunk View Post
      yes, i am bored by FWD driving dynamics, and anyone who doesn't drive there cars to the limits and the beyond.

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      05-17-2019 04:03 PM #59
      '83 & '84 Rabbit GTI's had fantastic steering in stock form and they got even better when you fitted them with Neuspeed upper and lower tie-bars , the lower bar made the most difference in road feel.


      also--Ford Fiestas were a lot of fun,too.my pop had a '79 Fiesta Sport with a 5 speed.cool German Ford,oddly,they were still carbureted ;VW had gone all fuel-injected after late-'78 into 1979.
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      05-18-2019 12:22 AM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by gruppe-b
      '83 & '84 Rabbit GTI's had fantastic steering in stock form and they got even better when you fitted them with Neuspeed upper and lower tie-bars , the lower bar made the most difference in road feel.
      I daily an '81 Scirocco S, and I would agree with mk1 vw's being a really good for steering feel when setup right. Let's not forget they're also relatively cheap and easy to maintain. That being said, it's hard to find a clean one. I'm a young guy with a business (restoring classics actually) so the mk1 fits the bill for me, but if I had just a little bit more financial flexibility then I would be checking out an '85-'89 911. I have a '77 911 S that I've driven a dozen times in for maintenance at the shop right now, and OP of all the cars I've worked on, built, or driven I haven't found a more unique experience than the 911 (especially in the steering department but not limited to), not for money. I couldn't care less it was a yuppie car, or that everyone has hopped on the air cooled bandwagon driving prices through the roof. For ~60k you could find a super clean one with a known history, and those are much easier to find. Maintenance items are well supported (many still factory supported and produced), and a large aftermarket. When finding something a little bit older it always comes down to how much you're willing to put upfront and pay for later, so if you do go down the air-cooled route it's best to find a clean one and preferably through a club member. Chesapeake region PCA is a pretty active group.

    12. 05-18-2019 05:09 AM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Aside from the 1G NSX and maybe the ITR, Hondas have never had particularly good steering. Top of the class gearboxes, midpack at best steering feel.
      Really , in FWD I've felt they were the best steering until EPS

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      05-18-2019 06:29 AM #62
      I remember test driving an NX2000 in the early 90's and being blown away by how well that car handled. If I remember Lotus had something to do with the suspension tuning?



      Not much to look at, but what a great driving car.

    14. 05-18-2019 11:26 AM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by UncleJB View Post
      I remember test driving an NX2000 in the early 90's and being blown away by how well that car handled. If I remember Lotus had something to do with the suspension tuning?



      Not much to look at, but what a great driving car.
      Totally forgot about those, it's been ages since I've seen one in the wild.
      I actually like the styling and think it looks very good.
      Seems like fun!



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      05-18-2019 12:07 PM #64
      ^^ I owned a white '91 NX 2000 back in '92 & '93, great little car!
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    16. 05-18-2019 12:34 PM #65
      Love the NX , looked so JDM weird loved the headlights

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      05-18-2019 12:45 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by antilock View Post
      I had one, the steering feel was very good in it and that's what really counts. One problem it had with the steering though was torque steer. It would feel like it was trying to rip the wheel out of your hands if you were turning and giving it a lot of gas in low gear.
      I had one for about 100K miles, and really loved that car for the same reason. That car was so right for me as an intro to "sports" cars.

      On topic, my 94 Rx-7 had a great steering feel.



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      05-18-2019 08:14 PM #67
      The car with the worst steering feel I've ever driven was a AMC Gremlin with power steering. I just took it for a short cruise in a parking lot and its steering gave me as much feedback as a video game's joystick would.

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      05-18-2019 08:59 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by antilock View Post
      The car with the worst steering feel I've ever driven was a AMC Gremlin with power steering. I just took it for a short cruise in a parking lot and its steering gave me as much feedback as a video game's joystick would.
      Reminds me of my bro's 2.2 Plymouth Horizon.

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      05-18-2019 10:26 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by antilock View Post
      Not around my parts unless somebody made a garage queen out of one. Early 90's Sentra's just like to rust.
      I bought a new '93 SE-R back in the day. Dealers couldn't give them away late in the model year. Just another great enthusiast car rejected by the mainstream - so many come and go.

      The sheet metal was hideously thin, that was my main/only gripe with the car. You could breathe on it and ding the damn thing. But the driving experience, including the steering? Absolutely sublime.

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      05-18-2019 10:32 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by Crispyfritter View Post
      E39 BMW has excellent steering feel. Get a 530i sport with a manual. Incredible drivers car that doesn't beat you to death.
      Agree, but only the 6-cylinder cars got R&P steering - the 540i & M5 have a recirculating-ball setup, apparently due to packaging issues. No comparison. A few years ago, I had this choice to make every time I was heading out..



      ZHP coupe, or M5. The ZHP just kept winning out more often than not. The ZHP has an incredible steering rack, truly a great driver's car. Really made the M5's steering pale in comparison.

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    22. 05-20-2019 11:11 AM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by Tommietank View Post
      Scratch everything in here. The 1999 Mazda Protege had the best feeling rack period. It was telepathic and mind blowing on a car that cheap.
      I agree here. I had chances to several Proteges in that era, including brand new, and would rate these above any Honda I've ever tried (that said, I've not driven an S2000...) - especially with good tires. And earlier Mazdas were great, too; my 626 4WS definitely felt better than my friend's 325ix. I just couldn't figure out what the fuss was about BMW and Honda steering back then.

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      05-20-2019 03:52 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by stiggy-pug View Post
      Seems like fun!

      Holy crap I love this! That's a pretty gonzo ad for the time.

      I also had totally forgotten about the NX2000. It struck my 9-year-old self as being really cool; glad it turned out to have merit.
      You look nice today.

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      05-20-2019 06:58 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by Schrodinger's Rattle View Post
      Holy crap I love this! That's a pretty gonzo ad for the time.

      I also had totally forgotten about the NX2000. It struck my 9-year-old self as being really cool; glad it turned out to have merit.
      It looks like it's a design that Bill Sienkiewicz and Natas Kaupas collaborated on.
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      05-20-2019 08:40 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by andlf View Post
      It looks like it's a design that Bill Sienkiewicz and Natas Kaupas collaborated on.
      Good stuff I did not know about! I never turned Fu Manchu on so fast in my life.
      You look nice today.

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      05-21-2019 07:14 AM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by The_Real_Stack View Post
      Aside from the 1G NSX and maybe the ITR, Hondas have never had particularly good steering. Top of the class gearboxes, midpack at best steering feel.
      I have owned/driven a lot of old Hondas and have to disagree. Even the rack on my 06 Civic was phenomenal. With good tires I could feel the gradient of traction in the wet. Perfect weighting too. Light but loads up enough to communicate.

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