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    1. Member GLI Dan's Avatar
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      06-20-2019 06:27 PM #51
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      I liked them in their time. They've all aged better than the cars that followed
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      I did too. They were shocking at first, but grew on me very quickly.

      Also, something that people don't think about is the Bangle era designs were different, dynamic, and interesting, but proportional. That's the big gripe I have with the new grills. They're not in proportion to ANYTHING else on the car.

      Rolls Royce (ahem, BMW) can make a gigantic grill look good. These are just too much.
      Except for the atrocity that was the E65 7 series, I agree.
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    3. 06-20-2019 07:55 PM #52
      I think the bigass grilles have potential, as long as they make them two separate grilles... Those big vertical kidneys used to work, but it might be hard nowadays with the pedestrian standards. Anyways, I'd rather have it be ugly and interesting than boring.

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      06-20-2019 08:54 PM #53
      If it does go AWD its going to be an absolute beast.

      AWD is awesome for a daily driven vehicle.
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    5. 06-20-2019 08:56 PM #54
      Fact: The Chinese want HUGE grills. And the Chinese will not be denied!


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      06-20-2019 09:05 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by Toaster29 View Post
      I know that’s a render, but I’m really concerned it’s actually going to end up looking something pretty similar to that. BMW has gone overboard catering to the Chinese market and their hardon for gigantic grills.
      I'd bet money it's gon' have big-ol grilles, more like those napkin sketches though.

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      06-21-2019 12:57 AM #56
      Welcome to Australia!

      https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/det...-6006585/?Cr=0

      and that's a last year produced car.

    8. 06-21-2019 11:08 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by johnny_p View Post
      If it does go AWD its going to be an absolute beast.

      AWD is awesome for a daily driven vehicle.
      Sounds like it's almost a certainty. Switchable AWD/RWD, ZF 8 speed, S58 making over 500hp on the Competition model.

      I really like the G20 styling, and the interior is spot on, so please BMW don't screw this up. I almost bought an F80 but decided to go with something AWD and I am glad I did. The G80 literally could be my perfect car.

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      06-21-2019 11:23 AM #58
      BMW soon gonna be on letter H. They'll run out of the alphabet much sooner than expected.

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      06-21-2019 11:32 AM #59
      Not only are the new BMW grilles hideous and a tragic departure from decades of front end iconography, I don't get the point of the exercise.

      Sure, everyone else is doing it, but... for one thing, they're 10+ years late. Audi has been doing the big grilles since like 2005. Everyone else started jumping on the bandwagon in the last 5-10 years. It just looks tacky and desperate for BMW to unleash full-height grilles in 2020.

      Furthermore, the BMW front end identity is already completely recognizable and, like I said, iconic. They don't need to fix anything, BMWs have always looked like BMWs, not like anything else on the road. If anything, switching to the big grille model takes away from that and makes them look like copycats. I hope we see them walk it back in the next 5 years.

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      06-21-2019 11:33 AM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbo II View Post
      BMW soon gonna be on letter H. They'll run out of the alphabet much sooner than expected.
      E lasted like three decades and now they're burning all the letters. I'm just waiting for the Ü80 M3, I hear it's going to have six wheel drive and triple clutch steering.

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      06-21-2019 01:08 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by GLI Dan View Post
      Except for the atrocity that was the E65 7 series, I agree.
      Bangle’s original E65 design was actually pretty cool. BMW executives demanded changes such as matching the W140 S-class’s trunk size (mistake, as the W220 downsized) compromised the design. The W140 design itself was compromised due to the CEO demanding the roof be raised...must be frustrating being a designer.
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      06-21-2019 01:22 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      Bangle’s original E65 design was actually pretty cool. BMW executives demanded changes such as matching the W140 S-class’s trunk size (mistake, as the W220 downsized) compromised the design. The W140 design itself was compromised due to the CEO demanding the roof be raised...must be frustrating being a designer.
      Yup-- Bruno Sacco remarked that the W140 was four inches too tall.

      After hearing that, I never looked at the design the same.

    14. 06-21-2019 03:47 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by S4cabriofox View Post
      Not only are the new BMW grilles hideous and a tragic departure from decades of front end iconography, I don't get the point of the exercise.

      Sure, everyone else is doing it, but... for one thing, they're 10+ years late. Audi has been doing the big grilles since like 2005. Everyone else started jumping on the bandwagon in the last 5-10 years. It just looks tacky and desperate for BMW to unleash full-height grilles in 2020.

      Furthermore, the BMW front end identity is already completely recognizable and, like I said, iconic. They don't need to fix anything, BMWs have always looked like BMWs, not like anything else on the road. If anything, switching to the big grille model takes away from that and makes them look like copycats. I hope we see them walk it back in the next 5 years.
      I think they eventually want to hide all the autonomous sensors and whatnot in the grilles. And apparently China loves large grilles... But I agree the huge grille trend doesn't really suit the kidneys. Audi and Lexus designed new grilles to be huge so it works better. I think BMW could have been on the right side of history if they kept proportional grilles and that style eventually came back, but I guess there's too big a risk if you get left out of the party. And it is ironic that the giant kidneys make them less distinguishable. You used to be able to see a bit of paint between the kidneys so you knew you were looking at the split kidney BMW grilles. Now since a lot of them are huge and connected, it just kind of looks like a generic grille, despite being bigger.

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      06-21-2019 04:02 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by S4cabriofox View Post
      Not only are the new BMW grilles hideous and a tragic departure from decades of front end iconography, I don't get the point of the exercise.

      Sure, everyone else is doing it, but... for one thing, they're 10+ years late. Audi has been doing the big grilles since like 2005. Everyone else started jumping on the bandwagon in the last 5-10 years. It just looks tacky and desperate for BMW to unleash full-height grilles in 2020.

      Furthermore, the BMW front end identity is already completely recognizable and, like I said, iconic. They don't need to fix anything, BMWs have always looked like BMWs, not like anything else on the road. If anything, switching to the big grille model takes away from that and makes them look like copycats. I hope we see them walk it back in the next 5 years.
      Maybe they're trying to go retro/heritage, but without the elegance?

      1933 BMW 303:


      1936 BMW 309:


      1935 BMW 315:




      If they just need more air for cooling going through the radiator grille though, one might wonder why not go still further back to 1929 BMW 3/15 or the 1932 BMW 3/20?


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      06-21-2019 05:09 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by TheCool View Post
      I think they eventually want to hide all the autonomous sensors and whatnot in the grilles. And apparently China loves large grilles... But I agree the huge grille trend doesn't really suit the kidneys. Audi and Lexus designed new grilles to be huge so it works better. I think BMW could have been on the right side of history if they kept proportional grilles and that style eventually came back, but I guess there's too big a risk if you get left out of the party. And it is ironic that the giant kidneys make them less distinguishable. You used to be able to see a bit of paint between the kidneys so you knew you were looking at the split kidney BMW grilles. Now since a lot of them are huge and connected, it just kind of looks like a generic grille, despite being bigger.
      I suspect there is a huge element of they just thinking that their trademark style elements have gotten stale and wants to move their design language forward for whatever reason. Just take a loot at what have happened to the Hofmeister Kink in the new 3-series touring, one of the other traditional stylistic feature of BMW. And I don't that have anything to do with Chinese tastes or the need to conceal technical features.

      From this:


      To this:

    17. 07-18-2019 08:13 PM #66
      The Bimmerpost renderings are quite good and have been accurate for the past couple generations. Get ready for the Twin Coffin Grilles™

      https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1635123





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      07-18-2019 08:19 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      Bangle’s original E65 design was actually pretty cool. BMW executives demanded changes such as matching the W140 S-class’s trunk size (mistake, as the W220 downsized) compromised the design. The W140 design itself was compromised due to the CEO demanding the roof be raised...must be frustrating being a designer.

      Bangle didn't design the E65.
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      I also originally banned Zuk & JIMP.

      Then I got demoted.

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      07-18-2019 08:30 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by TheCool View Post
      The Bimmerpost renderings are quite good and have been accurate for the past couple generations. Get ready for the Twin Coffin Grilles™

      https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1635123




      Holy sh!t thats bad.

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      07-18-2019 08:32 PM #69
      Nissan don't want to make a 4 door GTR, BMW gladly try to make one. They made a Supra anyway....
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      07-18-2019 08:53 PM #70
      I don't usually do this but...

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      07-18-2019 09:03 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      I mean the E39 and E60 were about as big, powerful and way heavier... but still made do with RWD only.

      They might as well make a regular 3 above the M340i like an M350i or something... then sharpen and focus the ///M3/4.

      The way things are looking now, might as well get a C63 or RS5. What's the differentiator?
      The E39 and E60 didn't have torque curves like this monster is going to have.

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      07-18-2019 09:08 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by TheCool View Post
      The Bimmerpost renderings are quite good and have been accurate for the past couple generations. Get ready for the Twin Coffin Grilles™

      https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1635123




      Holy ****. If that's real...ugh. They went full Camaro with that design.

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      07-18-2019 09:14 PM #73
      I guess we are in the era of big grilles and the car eating car look

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      07-21-2019 09:53 PM #75
      Yeah, its not going to look like that. I don't care if they have been somewhat "accurate" in the past.
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