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    1. Moderator silverspeedbuggy's Avatar
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      04-15-2019 10:07 AM #1
      This is a surprise.

      https://www.vwvortex.com/news/vw-bri...9IrPfgR-TKbK0U

      This is not a new concept. VW revealed the Tarok last year, but is bringing the "concept" (looks pretty production-ready to me) to New York to gauge reaction.

      The article above says the Tarok is a compact and not a new version of Tanoak (ugh, these names). In terms of size: "At 193.5-inches long and 72-inches wide, though, it is a little smaller than the 214.1×79.9-inch Tanoak concept." If I had more time I'd pull the sizes of other small pickups to compare, but today's not the day for that.






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      04-15-2019 10:14 AM #2
      Looks like VW is getting serious about some kind of crossover based truck.
      I wonder if they can successfully market something like this and the upcoming Ranger-based Amarok?

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      04-15-2019 10:16 AM #3
      So presumably this is MQB based like the Altas? VW already has all the pieces in place to build something like this. It would be a niche product but it could be a good way to grow North American sales.

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      04-15-2019 11:00 AM #4
      Amarok with 3.0 V6 TDI please!!

      But we'll see something at some point... probably a rebadged F150s with VW interior....***cough*** Routan *** cough***


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      04-15-2019 11:08 AM #5
      I prefer this to the Tanoak, size and looks wise.

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      04-15-2019 11:09 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      Looks like VW is getting serious about some kind of crossover based truck.
      I wonder if they can successfully market something like this and the upcoming Ranger-based Amarok?
      I wonder if they're exploring an MQB-based option so they can keep this in-house. Or they're literally just gauging reaction to see if a VW-badged truck of any kind is even an option for NA, or is it just for Europe.

      Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
      So presumably this is MQB based like the Altas? VW already has all the pieces in place to build something like this. It would be a niche product but it could be a good way to grow North American sales.
      Yep, MQB-based. Routan was such a success here [/sarcasm] maybe they don't want to risk a similar issue with a Ford-based vehicle.

    8. 04-15-2019 11:11 AM #7
      Did the Ridgeline need competition for last place? If so, this one is a contender!

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      04-15-2019 12:51 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Bonanza View Post
      Did the Ridgeline need competition for last place? If so, this one is a contender!
      The Ridgeline outsells both Nissan trucks and the GMC Canyon. It's more mid-pack than last place.

      I don't really understand people's (on this forum) problem with this kind of "truck".
      Everyone here always complains about the oversized "Brodozers" driving around with just one tiny soccermom onboard.
      Everyone here also begged for the return of sensibly-sized trucks or more mid-sized trucks.
      Honda, and now apparently VW, have heard our dreams/complaints, but are taking a "car-based truck" approach.

      Considering the generally great reviews the Ridgeline gets, it really is the right amount of truck for how most people actually use pick-ups.
      If another car company can match that functionality and usability benchmark, while improving on the aesthetics (the Honda's weakness), I think so-called car enthusiasts should welcome the attempt.

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      04-15-2019 02:03 PM #9
      https://media.vw.com/releases/1142

      Quote Originally Posted by Volkswagen Media Site
      VOLKSWAGEN SHOWS TAROK PICKUP CONCEPT AT THE NEW YORK INTERNATIONAL AUTO SHOW

      - Compact pickup features innovative bed and cab design
      - Production version of concept vehicle expected to go on sale in Brazil soon
      - Concept vehicle features 1.4-liter TSI® engine and 4Motion® all-wheel drive

      Herndon —Volkswagen of America plans to show the Tarok pickup concept for the first time in the U.S. at the New York International Auto Show. This compact unibody pickup was first seen at the Sao Paolo International Motor Show at the end of 2018 and is expected to enter production for the South American market in the near future. Although there are no plans to produce the vehicle for the U.S. market, the Tarok concept is being shown to gauge market reaction for a truly versatile and compact entry-level pickup.

      Based on the MQB platform, the Tarok concept is a compact pickup that is 193.5 inches long, yet has the ability to carry loads up to 73.2 inches long thanks to an innovative design that allows the pickup bed to extend into the cab.

      Alongside the Atlas, the Tarok concept is one of the largest MQB-based Volkswagen vehicles designed to date. The Tarok concept is 72 inches wide (without wing mirrors) and 66 inches high (without roof rails). The wheelbase is a comparatively long 117.7 inches, which leads to short overhangs of 36.0 inches at the front and 39.8 inches at the back.

      The key to the Tarok concept’s versatility is a variable load area. The floor space can be enlarged not only by opening the tailgate, but also using a newly developed mechanism for folding down the bottom of the passenger cabin’s rear panel.

      The width of the load area between the wheel arches is 42.9 inches, with a bed length of 47.5 inches with the tailgate in place. Drop the tailgate, and the load area is extended by 27.4 inches. Opening or folding the door to the cabin and folding the rear seats extends the load area by another 25.8 inches. Payload is 2,271 pounds.

      The rear seats are unlocked and folded using a mechanism that is quick to operate. The rear panel is then locked from the inside via an electrical system. A sealing mechanism helps ensure that the interior is optimally protected against moisture.

      The Tarok concept design shows a close relationship with other Volkswagen SUVs, such as the Atlas and the new T-Cross. It has a tall hood, horizontal bars in the grille that run into the headlights, and LED headlights and Daytime Running Lights. Tarok also gets an underbody skid plate and a roof and A-pillars finished in gloss black.

      From the side, the most striking feature is the C-pillar that looks like the bar on a Targa top. The aluminum frame extends from one side of the vehicle to the other, covering the Tarok concept’s rear panel. The other main features are a tornado line designed as a sharp undercut above the door handles and a powerful shoulder section that emerges above it. The 16-inch aluminum-alloy wheels are fitted with 235/70 tires.

      A continuous LED strip dominates the rear of the Tarok Concept. This wide light strip is located on the top section of the tailgate and then merges outwards into both rear lights, helping to create an unmistakable light signature at night. The tailgate itself extends right into the bumper, giving a low load height.

      The interior features a fully digital design for the instruments and air conditioning control system, and matches the expressive exterior in terms of style as well as color. A glass-covered 9.2-inch Infotainment system and a configurable Volkswagen Digital Cockpit are the central elements within the color-keyed instrument panel. These two elements create a continuous digital and networked cockpit, designed to help make use of a maximum range of online services and apps. Another clever feature is a speaker in the center console that can be removed and connected to a compatible smartphone via Bluetooth.

      Located behind the shift lever is the 4Motion® Active Control—a multi-functional rotary knob that is used to control the all-wheel-drive functions and associated driving modes. The driver uses it to activate four higher-level modes and different pop-up menus. If drivers turn the switch to the left, they access two “Onroad” and “Snow” profiles. If the switch is turned to the right, “Offroad” (automatic setting of offroad parameters) and “Custom Offroad” (variable settings) are activated.

      The 4MOTION Active Control can be used to adapt all relevant assist systems to the drive situation in seconds. The “Comfort”, “Normal”, “Sport”, “Eco” and “Individual” driving profiles, also selected via 4Motion Active Control, are also integrated. These profiles are used to customize parameters such as the throttle response, gearshift, climate control and steering.

      To demonstrate the vehicle’s off-road ability, the Tarok has an approach angle of 23.8 degrees, a departure angle of 26.4 degrees, and a breakover angle of 22.1 degrees. The minimum ground clearance is 9.6 inches.

      The Tarok Concept is powered by a 1.4-liter, 147-horsepower four-cylinder turbocharged and direct-injection TSI® engine, mated to a 6-speed automatic transmission and permanent 4Motion all-wheel drive.
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      04-15-2019 02:08 PM #10
      I find it odd that they have 4+ year old generation BFGs on this thing... Also that they are MTs.
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      04-15-2019 02:14 PM #11
      not bad looking but a 1.4L is not going to cut it in the US market. lets hope they can put a turbo 6 in there

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      04-15-2019 02:31 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by TurboREX View Post
      not bad looking but a 1.4L is not going to cut it in the US market. lets hope they can put a turbo 6 in there
      Agreed that it needs a larger engine, but VR6T* is overkill in a "compact" truck. At minimum it needs the 2.0T, TDI would be better (snowball's chance in hell), with a NA V6 as an option.

      *This engine doesn't even exist in production form. Rumors are VW is working on one, but it would go into high-end models, not a "compact" (read: midsize) pickup.

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      04-15-2019 02:42 PM #13
      They keep showing us the light bar grill then giving us the crappy current VW corporate grill (eg Jetta)

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      04-15-2019 02:51 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      The Ridgeline outsells both Nissan trucks and the GMC Canyon. It's more mid-pack than last place.

      I don't really understand people's (on this forum) problem with this kind of "truck".
      Everyone here always complains about the oversized "Brodozers" driving around with just one tiny soccermom onboard.
      Everyone here also begged for the return of sensibly-sized trucks or more mid-sized trucks.
      Honda, and now apparently VW, have heard our dreams/complaints, but are taking a "car-based truck" approach.

      Considering the generally great reviews the Ridgeline gets, it really is the right amount of truck for how most people actually use pick-ups.
      If another car company can match that functionality and usability benchmark, while improving on the aesthetics (the Honda's weakness), I think so-called car enthusiasts should welcome the attempt.
      There is no possible way that I could agree with you more. As a homeowner with 2 kids that makes random Ikea runs for furniture and trips to Home Depot for flowers & mulch these are literally the types of vehicles I am in the market for. However, with all the concept versions, I wonder who is going to actually pull the trigger and release one.

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      04-15-2019 02:58 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Yuppie Scum View Post
      They keep showing us the light bar grill then giving us the crappy current VW corporate grill (eg Jetta)
      Good. I hope these light bar grills stay as concepts. I really don't want to see cars lit up like Christmas trees.

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      04-15-2019 03:10 PM #16
      Excellent; I too live in a tropical paradise and need a truck bed pass-through in which to precariously load my surfboard.

      Jk, I actually think this is awesome.

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      04-15-2019 03:13 PM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by ghost03 View Post
      Excellent; I too live in a tropical paradise and need a truck bed pass-through in which to precariously load my surfboard.

      Jk, I actually think this is awesome.
      It looks really unsafe to me.

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      04-15-2019 03:16 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      It looks really unsafe to me.
      The vehicle or the surfboard? With all the disclaimers they put on things these days I am legitimately surprised they published that.

      The sunroof/pass-thru cab seems like it could be reasonably safe to me; imagining it without the trim it's a bit like a roll cage.

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      04-15-2019 03:17 PM #19
      The pass through was like the best feature of the Avalanche and the Escalade EXT.

      Not exactly sure how this is unsafe either.

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      04-15-2019 03:29 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      The pass through was like the best feature of the Avalanche and the Escalade EXT.

      Not exactly sure how this is unsafe either.
      There is no protection from the unsecured cargo flying into the occupants.

      I think in the Avalanche the bottom of the seats would flip-up and offer some sort of barrier. I don't see that in the VW - at least the one interior photo of the back seat doesn't show it.

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      04-15-2019 03:31 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      The pass through was like the best feature of the Avalanche and the Escalade EXT.

      Not exactly sure how this is unsafe either.
      The Subaru Baja had it as well and yeah, it's great, though better executed with the GM. Sure, it's a pain to drop the window in the Avalanche, but that's the only one that I know of that could do that. The Subaru and this concept can only drop the front of the bed and the glass stays where it is. With the Avalanche I was able to use it to move a riding mower, which wouldn't have been possible without it.
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      04-15-2019 03:36 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      There is no protection from the unsecured cargo flying into the occupants.
      So the same as virtually any sedan or wagon or hatchback with folding seats carrying cargo...


      I think in the Avalanche the bottom of the seats would flip-up and offer some sort of barrier. I don't see that in the VW - at least the one interior photo of the back seat doesn't show it.



      The couple lbs of foam seat base that folded down in the avalance doesn't offer additional protection over the couple lbs of foam seat base folded forward in this (or other sedans/wagons./etc)

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      04-15-2019 03:38 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      The Subaru Baja had it as well and yeah, it's great, though better executed with the GM. Sure, it's a pain to drop the window in the Avalanche, but that's the only one that I know of that could do that. The Subaru and this concept can only drop the front of the bed and the glass stays where it is. With the Avalanche I was able to use it to move a riding mower, which wouldn't have been possible without it.
      I knew there was something else, was thinking ridgeline but knew that was wrong. Wasn't sure if one of the hummer truck things could, didn't seem to from the pics I saw.

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      04-15-2019 03:40 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by chris86vw View Post
      So the same as virtually any sedan or wagon or hatchback with folding seats carrying cargo...)
      That's true, although a pickup would tend to carry heavier cargo.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Hajduk View Post
      That's true, although a pickup would tend to carry heavier cargo.
      This will likely have no significant improvement in GVWR over the passenger cars built on similar platforms.

      You can spec a new Jeep gladiator and a new jetta with nearly identical payloads.

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