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      Today 11:01 AM #151
      Agreed. All of the exposition during the left half of the episode was necessary (I guess) but kind of anti-climactic. I've enjoyed the entire series, and as flawed as the last season was, it was still terrific television when put into context of so much else that is on. But I'm relieved that it's all finally over and I'm not wishing that it would keep going like I do with a lot of series that come to an end.
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      Today 11:21 AM #152
      I'd actually kill for "The Adventures of Jon, Tormund, and Ghost".

      I LOVED Jon Snow's ending and his decision to exile himself beyond the Wall instead of remaining at Castle Black.
      It's likely that Bran knew he would leave thus why he suggested sending Jon to the Wall.
      He avoided conflict with Grey Worm and the Unsullied and Jon can live happily, away from all of the political quarrels he so often tried to avoid.

      Tormund said in Episode 4, "You've got the North in you. The REAL North."

      It was literally perfect, IMO.

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      Today 11:37 AM #153
      I was thinking that Arya could get a cool spin-off. I think HBO has prequels planned, though.
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      Today 01:51 PM #154
      Quote Originally Posted by kal-el21 View Post
      I'd actually kill for "The Adventures of Jon, Tormund, and Ghost".

      I LOVED Jon Snow's ending and his decision to exile himself beyond the Wall instead of remaining at Castle Black.
      It's likely that Bran knew he would leave thus why he suggested sending Jon to the Wall.
      He avoided conflict with Grey Worm and the Unsullied and Jon can live happily, away from all of the political quarrels he so often tried to avoid.

      Tormund said in Episode 4, "You've got the North in you. The REAL North."

      It was literally perfect, IMO.
      But did Jon exile himself? Why get dressed up in all black like a crow if he was just running away? I took it that he was escorting the wildlings home North of the wall. What I don't understand is what is the wall protecting them from now? I was kinda hoping for some blue glowing eyes in the trees or something.

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      Today 02:30 PM #155
      I think he just really likes that Crow Shawl. Dude is so emo. I agree, he never planned to stay at the Wall, he was always going to head north with Torumund and the others and start a new life.... and I think Bran knew that with his RavenVision®.

      Happy with Sansa's ending, it's what I expected and wanted.

      Fine with Arya's ending.

      Dani's ending happened exactly how I expected it to.

      Things that were a stretch... I'll let DaddyFiles say it better than I can... (Highlight)

      @DaddyFiles

      Also, can we talk about #GreyWorm ? The fiercest man in Dany's army lets Tyrion (who betrayed her) and Jon (who freaking stabbed her to death) walk free? Jon didn't even have a scratch on him. Yet Grey Worm is just all stinkface and then "screw it, I'll just sail to Naath"? Nah.

      Oh and I guess only the North values freedom. No one from the other kingdoms thought "Hey, now is the time for sovereignty"? Really?? Sansa gets to do her own thing but everyone else gladly falls in line behind Bran the Broken??? #gameofthrones

      I appreciated all the tidy paths free of dead bodies in King's Landing that allowed everyone to walk freely throughout the city. Oh, and how Jaime and Cersei would still be incesting the day away if they moved a few feet to the left. #gameofthrones #GameOfThronesFinale
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      Today 02:40 PM #156
      Quote Originally Posted by Seabird View Post
      I was thinking that Arya could get a cool spin-off. I think HBO has prequels planned, though.
      You mentioning Arya is one of the biggest annoyances for me (and I think many others) about the final season, overall the finale was about what I expected in terms of how much I enjoyed it. Ultimately it was never going to make everyone happy, I think ending a series is always going to be tough to do successfully. Having said that...

      Arya - All the assassin training, fighting to get to Kings Landing etc. and she just decides.... I'll go West
      Jon - Comes back from the dead, finds out who he really is, brings everyone together to battle the walkers.... Yep, I'll go quietly back to the wall and off North
      Jamie - Slowly over the seasons becomes a likable character, finally leaves Cersei and heads North, only to just decide.... I'm hateful, I'll go back to Cersei
      Bran - "Why do you think I came all this way?" .... we are supposed to believe all along he knew he would be, and wanted to be, King.


      So many things that were poorly executed in the final season, I am sure the fact that earlier seasons were so good makes this one look all the worse, but jeez it was overall not a great final season or episode.

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      Today 02:53 PM #157
      Her choice not to pursue Cersei was a clear signal that her assassining days are over. Her training is perfect for an adventurer lifestyle. She's not an RPG video game character.

      Forgot to mention... This shot was awesome:

      Quote Originally Posted by Col. David Crockett
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      Today 03:00 PM #158
      Quote Originally Posted by Seabird View Post
      Her choice not to pursue Cersei was a clear signal that her assassining days are over. Her training is perfect for an adventurer lifestyle. She's not an RPG video game character.

      Forgot to mention... This shot was awesome:
      Good point about perfect for an adventurer lifestyle... I'm just bitter there will be no Arya and the Hound stories


      You are right, that shot was awesome. Probably the highlight of the episode.

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      Today 03:14 PM #159
      Quote Originally Posted by DarkSideGTI View Post
      But did Jon exile himself? Why get dressed up in all black like a crow if he was just running away? I took it that he was escorting the wildlings home North of the wall. What I don't understand is what is the wall protecting them from now? I was kinda hoping for some blue glowing eyes in the trees or something.
      So, actually, at the time I was thinking exactly that. He was just escorting them back home. But when they got past the gate, Jon looks back at it closing, and in that moment I'm certain he decided he's not going back.

      Yeah, the Night's Watch isn't exactly necessary. The Free Folk are no longer enemies and I assume they are allowed to pass freely North and South. I'm guessing they may be taking ALL precautions against a return of the Walkers. Not to mention, rapists, murderers, robbers, and the like are probably of better use doing something at the Wall than in a cell.

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      Today 03:24 PM #160
      I think it's kind of cool that people are arguing about Jon's ultimate fate. When the series started, he was the most ambiguous character with Ned being all cagey about his mother. And like so many other things that came full circle, his exit is probably the most ambiguous, too.

      James Hebberd who blogs the show at EW suggested a The Office-like spin off based on the Small Council.
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      Today 03:28 PM #161
      Quote Originally Posted by naiku View Post
      Arya - All the assassin training, fighting to get to Kings Landing etc. and she just decides.... I'll go West
      Jon - Comes back from the dead, finds out who he really is, brings everyone together to battle the walkers.... Yep, I'll go quietly back to the wall and off North
      Jamie - Slowly over the seasons becomes a likable character, finally leaves Cersei and heads North, only to just decide.... I'm hateful, I'll go back to Cersei
      Bran - "Why do you think I came all this way?" .... we are supposed to believe all along he knew he would be, and wanted to be, King.
      Arya says, in Season 6, to Lady Crane that she would like to see what is west.
      More importantly, doesn't Euron Greyjoy CONSTANTLY boast about having sailed to every corner of the world?
      Apparently that has an asterisk on it meaning *not to the west.

      We weren't going to get cliche, fantasy endings for everyone. Jon isn't Aragorn, meant to rule the kingdoms into old age with decades of prosperity. Jamie, despite everything he went through, couldn't overcome his nature and love for Cersei. Arya decided she doesn't want to run around killing people all her life.

      Bran .... that dude is just weird lol. I was talking Thrones with a friend. Hypothetically, Bran knew how everything would unfold. He knew he would be king. Does that make him the most diabolical mastermind of them all? Did he just have the longest play at the throne ever? Interesting to think about but I think not. I think, as far as his abilities are concerned, that he sees the outcome of things and just plays his part, even if that means sitting idly by while Dany burns down K's L. He doesn't see millions of outcomes, Dr. Strange style, and pushes things towards a certain one. That might be why Bryndyn Rivers was holed up in a cave, removing himself from these situations.
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      Today 03:49 PM #162
      I thought Arya's ending was good. Yes, she's a highly trained assassin, but that's not something desperately needed in a time of (relative) peace that they imply we are headed into. She's existed on anger and vengeance for a long time. Now she gets to use those skills to protect herself and have an amazing adventure. The alternative is she becomes a "Lady" which she said she really doesn't want, or she just ... what? bops around Winterfell doing the occasional murder? She's not a psychopath. The war is over, she isn't thirsting for blood for the sake of blood.

      My only niggle is that she's suddenly a ship's captain, and we've never even seen her on a boat before iirc.

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      Jon didn't want to be King, I don't even think he wanted to be a Lord. Now he's free. Let's face it, he's been a wishy-washy character since day 1. Can't make a decision, often makes the wrong one. Wants something better, refuses to be king, finally does the one correct thing but only after it was basically too late. He's better off traveling around the great white north with the Wildlings.
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      Today 04:53 PM #163
      In modern biz-speak, the term "manager" (as a description) is a bit derogatory. It is supposed to convey someone in a superior position who can only operate at an administrative level. Instead, everyone is encouraged to be a "leader"; thoughtful, innovative, inspirational... I once had a boss who was a great leader. He had all of those traits. But man, he was a terrible manager. He couldn't read or follow a budget, let alone track against his actuals. He was always late getting his invoicing done and almost never followed the process w/re to issuing POs or tracking. Managing the P&L was always a mess.

      Jon is like that. A great leader of men and women, but he just sucks as a manager and he undermines his own credibility and pisses everyone off in the process.
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      Today 07:13 PM #164
      A bit of insight into why the tone of the show changed so much:

      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...261136896.html


      Want to know why Game of Thrones *feels* so different now? I think I can explain. Without spoilers. /1

      #GameofThrones #GoT #WritingCommunity



      It has to do with the behind-the-scenes process of plotters vs. pantsers. If you’re not familiar with the distinction, plotters create a fairly detailed outline before they commit a single word to the page. /2



      Pantsers discover the story as they write it, often treating the first draft like one big elaborate outline. Neither approach is ‘right’ - it’s just a way to characterize the writing process. But the two approaches do tend to have different advantages. /3



      Because they have the whole story in mind, it’s usually easier for plotters to deliver tighter stories and stick the landing when it comes to endings, but their characters can sometimes feel stiff, like they’re just plot devices. /4



      Pantsers have an easier time writing realistic characters, because they generate the plot by asking themselves what this fully-realized person would do or think next in the dramatic situation the writer has dropped them in. /5



      But because pantsers are making it up as they go along (hence the name: they’re flying by the seat of their pants), they’re prone to meandering plots and can struggle to bring everything together in a satisfying conclusion. /6



      That’s why a lot of writers plot their stories but pants their characters, and use the second draft to reconcile conflicts between the two.

      What does this have to do with Game of Thrones? /7



      Well, GRRM is one of the most epic pantsers around. He talks about writing like cultivating a garden. He plants character seeds and carefully lets them grow and grow. /8



      That’s why every plot point and fair-in-hindsight surprise landed with such devastating weight: everything that happened to these characters happened because of their past choices. But it’s also the reason why the narrative momentum of the books slowed over time. /9



      After the first big plot arc, book four was originally going to skip ahead five years. But GRRM didn’t know how to make the gap in action feel true to the characters or the world, so he eventually decided to just write his way through those five years instead. /10



      Which meant planting more seeds, and watching those grow. And suddenly his garden was overgrown, and hard to prune without abrupt or forced resolutions. He had no choice but to follow each and every one of those plot threads, even when they didn’t really matter to the story. /11



      And now that the plants were fully in control, he struggled to get some of the characters that had grown one way to go where they needed to be for the story. (Dany getting stuck in Meereen is the example he frequently cites.) /12



      And because he had all this story to cover and pay off, some of which was growing in the wrong directions and needed enough narrative space to come back around, he started increasing the number of books he thought it would take him to complete the series. And, well. /13



      So the books the showrunners were adapting ran out. What now? People assume the show suffered because they didn’t have GRRM’s rich material to draw on anymore, as if the problem was that he’s simply better at generating new plots than they are. But that’s not what happened. /14



      For a season or two, the showrunners actually tried to take over management of GRRM’s sprawling garden, with understandably mixed results. When that didn’t work, they shifted their focus to trying to bring this huge beast in for a landing. /15



      They gave themselves a fixed endpoint - 13 episodes to the finale, and no more - and set about reverse-engineering the rest of the story they wanted to tell.

      You see, I think the showrunners are not only plotters, they’re ending-focused plotters by design. /16



      They want to deliver an ultimately satisfying experience. So with only two seasons to work with, they started asking themselves what was left to do. What could they build with the pieces left in the box? What beats did they just have to include? /17



      What big moments did they want to deliver? Where should the characters end up? What did they think we, the audience, wanted to see on screen before the show came to an end? It was a Game of Thrones bucket list. /18



      And once they had that list, it was time to connect the dots to make it all happen. So they started maneuvering the characters into the emotional and literal places they needed to be for all those dots to connect up in the right way. /19



      That’s why Game of Thrones feels different now. A show that had been about the weight of the past became about the spectacle of the present. Characters with incredible depth and agency - all the more rope with which to hang themselves - became pieces on a giant war map. /20



      Where once the characters authored their own, terrible destinies, now they were forced to take uncharacteristic actions and make uncharacteristically bad decisions so the necessary plot points could happen and the appropriate stakes could be felt. /21



      Organic developments gave way to contrivance. Naturally-paced character arcs were rushed. Living plants became puppets of the plot. The characters just weren’t in charge anymore. The ending was. /22



      No one’s to blame. Keeping a million plates spinning the way GRRM did is hard. And setting those plates down without breaking too many, which the showrunners had to do, is also really hard. Creation in general is hard. /23



      There’s a reason writers have haunted eyes and always seem like they need a hug. Give everyone a break. But: the shift in approach did have consequences. /24



      Is pantsing better than plotting? No. And this has nothing to do with which approach is ‘right’, anyway. It’s about the approach changing in the third act. That’s the sort of thing an audience can feel happening, even if they can’t put their finger on exactly why. /25



      The audience fell in love with one kind of show, but the ending is being imported from a different kind of show. Now, I happen to think the finale will stick the landing. It’s what the showrunners have been building toward these past two seasons, after all. /26



      But to be satisfying, it matters how we get there, too. Treating the journey as equally important is how you get endings that feel earned. And it’s how characters keep feeling real the whole way through, even though they’re completing arcs some writer has chosen for them. /27



      By placing so much emphasis on the ending, the showrunners changed the nature of the story they were telling, meaning the original story and the original characters aren’t the ones getting an ending. Their substitutes are. /28



      That’s why no amount of spectacle or fan service can make this ending as satisfying as it should be. Resolutions invite us to consider the story as a whole; where it all started, where it all ended up. And we can feel the discontinuity in this one. /29



      Well that ended up being a long thread. So here’s a picture of a very nice dog. /30
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      Today 09:13 PM #165
      I liked the finale for what it was. I think people are just hung up on how quickly they tried to wrap things up. I think if the last 2 seasons were 10 episodes each we would have had the same results.

      That said, it was no where near as terrible as the Dexter season finale... I can't believe IMDB users have rated the GoT finale worse than the Dexter Finale, what in the actual hell...

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      Today 09:37 PM #166
      Glad everyone seems cool with the finale. It sucked. Nothing felt earned, because it wasn't. But hey, glad there's plenty of good TV out there (Chernobyl tonight!).

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