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      03-22-2019 11:17 AM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      The graphics are really fussy especially the rear end, and the surfacing is amateur hour. But the proportions are spot on.
      Can you elaborate why the surfacing is "amateur hour"? I agree with you on the proportions.

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      03-22-2019 02:22 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by tejlab View Post
      The graphics are really fussy especially the rear end, and the surfacing is amateur hour. But the proportions are spot on.

      Can you go into detail? I may be getting old, but until I see a car out in sunlight in order to view it (like the often non correct A to DLO to B pillar transition done in a lot of cars these days-Lexus being a prime offender in some cases) I cannot judge it-- regarding your other statement especially as this is FWD and I suspect that front overhang might be an issue from a proportion standpoint.
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      03-22-2019 02:31 PM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by Minority5 View Post
      Can you go into detail? I may be getting old, but until I see a car out in sunlight in order to view it (like the often non correct A to DLO to B pillar transition done in a lot of cars these days-Lexus being a prime offender in some cases) especially as this is FWD and I suspect that front overhang might be an issue from a proportion standpoint.
      You just responded to someone who believes Lexus can do no wrong design wise.
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      03-26-2019 11:51 PM #105
      Car and Driver just published an article on the 2020 Sonata, which includes the first images of the US model. It appears the 1.6T and 2.0L Limited Trim will have a different fascia, compared to the entry level model that will wear the chromed fascia we've already seen.






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      03-27-2019 04:56 AM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by WatchOutLaszloPanaflex View Post
      Car and Driver just published an article on the 2020 Sonata, which includes the first images of the US model. It appears the 1.6T and 2.0L Limited Trim will have a different fascia, compared to the entry level model that will wear the chromed fascia we've already seen.
      I just finished reading that article. Hyundai and Mazda are really swinging for the fences lately. I hope we see more of these on the road instead of the lease special German cars.

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      03-27-2019 07:26 AM #107
      33MPG combined out of something this huge is absolutely nuts. The lazy throttle/transmission are a bummer though. REALLY curious to see what they have in store for the next Elantra (and Honda with the Civic... and VW with the Mk8 Golf)

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      03-27-2019 08:02 AM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by WatchOutLaszloPanaflex View Post
      That grille from that angle reminds me of this:



      There's something off with it, especially the way it flares to the sides but stays quite flat in the vertical plane despite that.
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      03-27-2019 08:24 AM #109
      Wheels aside, I think I like the looks of this more than any of the Genesis sedans. I'm guessing the interior will give the G70's a run for its money

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      03-27-2019 08:58 AM #110
      This is a very unattractive car. Are those really chrome strips.... on the hood?

    11. 03-27-2019 09:06 AM #111
      Quote Originally Posted by RENOG View Post
      This is a very unattractive car. Are those really chrome strips.... on the hood?
      It's growing on me...and it isn't any more unattractive than this:



      Which also had the same chrome detail.

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      03-27-2019 09:24 AM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by omoderncultureo View Post
      I am impressed with the work they did on the platform, particularly in regards to crash safety. Volvo got it right with their cars sliding off the small overlap barrier rather than engaging it and bringing the car to a complete halt while the back end swings around. Toyota and now Hyundai have recognized this and implemented the same setup.

      As for the looks of the car, I like it. Given its lower height and seating position, I don't see this as going after the family market as sedans used to. Provided they can make the driving dynamics good, it really is a viable competitor to the Arteon.

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      03-27-2019 09:40 AM #113
      I find it quite striking and very well proportioned, and way more desirable than the Camry / Accord.

      What would really make this interesting would be a 5-door/hb version like the Stinger. As a sedan with that short deck lid, it is likely going to have a small trunk opening.

      Will be waiting to see what a more sport-oriented (N-Line?) version has to offer.

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      03-27-2019 09:43 AM #114
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      03-27-2019 10:02 AM #115
      I'm sold. Great job Hyundai!
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      03-27-2019 10:43 AM #116
      I thought the Accord was going to be the most interesting design in the class for awhile, but wow, this makes it look 5 years old. They did a great job.

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      03-27-2019 12:22 PM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by RENOG View Post
      This is a very unattractive car. Are those really chrome strips.... on the hood?

      Actually, the LED/DRL that fade up into the chrome strip along the hood looks pretty cool in person.

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      03-27-2019 12:41 PM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by MoPho View Post
      Actually, the LED/DRL that fade up into the chrome strip along the hood looks pretty cool in person.
      Are those your shots? ^

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      03-27-2019 01:30 PM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by Quinn1.8t View Post
      Are those your shots? ^

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      03-27-2019 01:35 PM #120
      Finally, a Sonata that is not complete boredom.

      Those tail lights are sooooooooo very close to the Civic's though. To the point where I'm shocked they didn't get sued yet. Do they really want this car to be associated so closely with a Civic?
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      03-27-2019 01:53 PM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      Finally, a Sonata that is not complete boredom.

      Those tail lights are sooooooooo very close to the Civic's though. To the point where I'm shocked they didn't get sued yet. Do they really want this car to be associated so closely with a Civic?
      The Civic's tails look like a Chinese copy of these. Civic tails are some of the worst details on that car; Sonata's tails are among the best on it. Plus the Civic was hardly the first car with the crab claw tail lights. Someone posted a bunch of cars that had them before. Hardly a new thing

    22. 03-27-2019 02:30 PM #122
      Deep dive into design

      MT: 2020 HYUNDAI SONATA FIRST LOOK: IS STUNNINGLY GORGEOUS ENOUGH?

      Hyundai designers spent lots of time thinking about how the needs of design and safety can work together. Consider the Sonata's sleek front end, which is 1.4 inches lower than the previous generation. Nearly all modern cars have hoods that terminate in a bumper containing the grille, more often than not with an obvious/ugly shut line. What distinguishes the Sonata is how the steel (not composite) hood flows all the way to the front of the car ending in an edge above the grille. Lee is quick to mention that the only other car makers that currently do this are Aston Martin and Bentley, his previous employer.
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      03-27-2019 04:10 PM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      Finally, a Sonata that is not complete boredom.

      Those tail lights are sooooooooo very close to the Civic's though. To the point where I'm shocked they didn't get sued yet. Do they really want this car to be associated so closely with a Civic?
      I'm totally surprised that everyone is drawing parallels to the taillights on the Honda Civic. I think the taillights on the Polestar 2 bare a far more similar appearance.


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      03-27-2019 04:15 PM #124
      Quote Originally Posted by unhappymeal View Post
      I just finished reading that article. Hyundai and Mazda are really swinging for the fences lately. I hope we see more of these on the road instead of the lease special German cars.
      Yeah, I totally agree! But then again, who'd want a roomy cabin, Bose surround sound system, and Nappa leather seats among other features when you can have base level luxury with halogen headlights and a three-pointed star on the hood...?

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      03-27-2019 04:20 PM #125
      Are we all looking at the same car? This is the only attractive angle of the car:

      Quote Originally Posted by WatchOutLaszloPanaflex View Post
      All of the other angles makes the car look some combination of awkward or poorly proportioned. And those LED strips up the hood? The chrome strip that starts where the LEDs stop? I disliked the chrome strips in every version of the sonata where it existed. And an ugly 4-spoke steering wheel?

      Looks overdone. I'll take the Camry SE or Accord Sport 10 out of 10 times. Is it interesting? Yes. But interesting doesn't always mean good. The sonata from 2 (?) generations ago is much better proportioned.

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