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      12-01-2018 10:12 PM #1
      Street driving just grows less and less fun by the day... worsening traffic, crappier and crappier roads, less desire to spend time and money to drive somewhere for fun.....

      By contrast, when I have a free hour or whatever at home, I can hop in my (very ghetto) sim racing rig and just rip

      Obviously the sensations don't match the real thing, though oddly it kind of does compare to track driving. I guess if you don't enjoy exploring the limits of cars it wouldn't work.... but for people who do, I think it's a worthwhile investment

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      12-01-2018 10:33 PM #2
      A little, but not compared to the people that take it seriously. It's fun to learn tracks, and there are definitely some aspects that parallel the real thing. It's also nice to be able to make mistakes safely and cheaply, and along those lines it opens up the door to wheel-to-wheel racing which is something I don't do IRL.

      That said, I don't get anywhere near the fun out of it that I get from the real thing. Whenever I've started to get serious into it I just end up doing more track days, autoX's and whatnot.

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      12-01-2018 10:36 PM #3
      According to Steam, I've played 492 hours of Dirt Rally. I just use a PlayStation 3 controller, though. It's a lot of fun, and I'm definitely getting the new one that's coming out in February.

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      12-01-2018 10:41 PM #4
      O man, I need to check my hours in Forza 7. I am gonna move over to Gran Turismo Sport next year. The online racing is significantly better.

      I used to race with a controller, but I think it started giving me carpal tunnel. In Forza, the fastest racers use controllers, but I do well enough with a wheel. Just won a very close online race today actually

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      12-02-2018 12:30 AM #5
      I could see this if you lived in Florida or certain parts of the Midwest, but I feel like it wouldn’t take much effort for most people to find a good backroad. I’m obviously spoiled with some of the best roads period within an easy day’s drive, but really all you need is elevation change. Elevation change necessitates more interesting roadway design. The design of the dragon makes no sense visually, but if the designer was told to minimize earth movement, it starts to make more sense. I am a civil engineer by trade in a challenging area topographically, mountains may make my job harder, but they make my Miata a worthwhile investment.
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      12-02-2018 12:37 AM #6
      So you mean... Playing video games? Just call it what it is.

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      12-02-2018 12:38 AM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Pnuu View Post
      So you mean... Playing video games? Just call it what it is.
      Yeah, but there is a big difference between iRacing and Forza or Gran Turismo from a game mechanics view.
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      12-02-2018 12:38 AM #8
      I’ve got a PlaySeat set up with the Perfect Pedal for iRacing combined with a 46” TV.

      Unfortunately, I’m on the real road 5-6 days out of the week so my subscription is currently on hiatus.

      It’s certainly not a substitute for Karting (indoors or outdoors) and a track day, but it can be used to keep you sharp and engaged.....and learn cars/tracks with relatively little out of pocket.

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      12-02-2018 12:59 AM #9
      I have a decent setup with a proper seat, load cell brake pedal, fanatec H-pattern shifter, and good headphones. It's probably more fun to play Dirt Rally than it is to drive a real car on public roads - and with zero risk of getting tickets.

      I want to try a VR headset next.

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      12-02-2018 02:02 AM #10
      I don't sim "race" per se: I just do endless laps on the Nurburgring in Assetto Corsa using the 991 GT3 RS.

      Setups is a Playseat Challenge housing a Thrustmaster T300RS.

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      12-02-2018 11:10 AM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Pnuu View Post
      So you mean... Playing video games? Just call it what it is.
      I was like WTF is sim racing? ......video games.......
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      12-02-2018 11:58 AM #12
      Not my thing, but I think for a lot of people it's more than just video games, it's e-sports.

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/27/us/es...rnd/index.html

      Plenty of options for this in the driving world apparently. I-racing for example.

      Even F1 teams use simulators to help prepare drivers before races and that's just a hopped-up video game.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/s...imulators.html

      But for Rudy van Buren, at least, advances in simulator technology have provided a low-cost route into a high-cost sport.

      Virtual racing has reignited his professional motorsport career, which appeared dead a decade ago.

      He had been a promising junior karting star, winning a Dutch junior championship in 2003, but he ran out of money for his racing career while still in his midteens. Racing in online competitions and on consoles became a hobby.

      Then he won the McLaren F1 team’s World’s Fastest Gamer competition last year. His prize was becoming a simulator driver for the McLaren F1 team, testing their technology, a job he started last November.

      “About 10 years ago, I got my first introduction to sim racing,” van Buren said. “At first it was only a little bit of joy, nothing serious behind it. But that’s also the period where the online sim racing took off. So it’s like I grew up with it.”

      As a simulator driver, van Buren helps McLaren test new components, establishing which designs merit testing on a real track. During race weekends, he often works in the team’s Woking base in England, simulating different race strategies to help the team establish where to focus its on-track efforts.
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      12-02-2018 12:02 PM #13
      I have a very powerful pc and use my Vive Pro VR headset with Project Cars 2. What a crazy experience.

      Still I'm using an xbox1 controller instead of a wheel

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      12-02-2018 12:06 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by dwagner88 View Post
      I could see this if you lived in Florida or certain parts of the Midwest, but I feel like it wouldn’t take much effort for most people to find a good backroad. I’m obviously spoiled with some of the best roads period within an easy day’s drive, but really all you need is elevation change. Elevation change necessitates more interesting roadway design. The design of the dragon makes no sense visually, but if the designer was told to minimize earth movement, it starts to make more sense. I am a civil engineer by trade in a challenging area topographically, mountains may make my job harder, but they make my Miata a worthwhile investment.
      I don't disagree, but even still, driving a little quick on a backroad is not like going balls out wheel to wheel on the track. I live in NC, so I get to drive on backroads more often than many. It's fun, but not quite the same.

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      12-02-2018 12:07 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Pnuu View Post
      So you mean... Playing video games? Just call it what it is.
      Quote Originally Posted by forewheel View Post
      I was like WTF is sim racing? ......video games.......
      Have either of you played a racing game on a good rig?

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      12-02-2018 12:22 PM #16
      there no point to argue with "it is not the real thing" crowd





      I am SURE nothing beat driving a REAL Bentley Continental GT3 @ Misano in heavy rain at midnight than playing a "video game". Go try the real thing instead...
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      12-02-2018 12:23 PM #17
      I play a lot of GT Sport, but haven't done a lot of online racing till I get my PlaySeat and perfect my wheel skills.

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      12-02-2018 12:34 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by forewheel View Post
      I was like WTF is sim racing? ......video games.......
      There is a big difference between playing need for speed with a PlayStation controller and playing iracing with a high-end sim rig. Sim racing attempts to reproduce car physics as much as possible. They are pretty unforgiving compared to arcade style racing games.

      Is it the same thing as driving in rea life? Of course not, but it really does build skill that translates to the track. I can tell you that hours of iracing REALLY helped when I went to the Nürburgring. I knew what was around the next bend and which corners were troublesome. My friend who had no sim experience on the track struggled by comparison.

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      12-02-2018 01:25 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Avus View Post
      there no point to argue with "it is not the real thing" crowd

      I am SURE nothing beat driving a REAL Bentley Continental GT3 @ Misano in heavy rain at midnight than playing a "video game". Go try the real thing instead...
      Wonder how many of them have ever initiated a "real" response to internet porn

      It does matter on what you value in the experience. Over the last few years I've learned that I enjoy going fast. Doesn't really matter what the car is, as long as it's good at going fast. Some people might enjoy all the sensations of specific components or types of cars. Obviously sim racing or racing in general might not be as relevant to them.

      But I could see a day where VR gets good enough for simulating a Sunday drive or whatever for many people.

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      12-02-2018 02:58 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Wonder how many of them have ever initiated a "real" response to internet porn
      When gamers stop treating their game achievements like they are real achievements with the chance to die and include actual heroic efforts, then "e-sports" will be taken seriously.
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      12-02-2018 03:13 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      When gamers stop treating their game achievements like they are real achievements with the chance to die and include actual heroic efforts, then "e-sports" will be taken seriously.
      Show me where anyone is treating their game achievements like they are real in this thread?
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      12-02-2018 03:22 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by bombardi View Post
      I play a lot of GT Sport, but haven't done a lot of online racing till I get my PlaySeat and perfect my wheel skills.
      Hit up the GT sport thread with your PS account there's a few of us that race online every now and then
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      12-02-2018 03:31 PM #23
      A good friend of mine does sims, he has a home built PC and a crazy Fanatec Porsche wheel and really legit pedals. It’s pretty intense stuff.
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      12-02-2018 04:08 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Metallitubby View Post
      When gamers stop treating their game achievements like they are real achievements with the chance to die and include actual heroic efforts, then "e-sports" will be taken seriously.
      Nobody does that.

      And lol @ putting race car drivers in the same category as soldiers, cops, firemen, teachers etc... people who risk or dedicate their lives to meaningful service rather than money and entertainment. No, "real" racers are not heroes. And I say this as someone who has watched every MotoGP race for the last 4 years.
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      12-02-2018 08:08 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by A.Wilder View Post
      Show me where anyone is treating their game achievements like they are real in this thread?
      In this thread? None yet. Every one of us knows a gamer that says things like:

      "I stormed the beaches of Normandy and took Vierville"

      or my favorite

      "My best time on Nurburgring is _____"

      Quote Originally Posted by CTK View Post
      Nobody does that.

      And lol @ putting race car drivers in the same category as soldiers, cops, firemen, teachers etc... people who risk or dedicate their lives to meaningful service rather than money and entertainment. No, "real" racers are not heroes. And I say this as someone who has watched every MotoGP race for the last 4 years.
      Read the above examples. Racing games just happen to be the topic of this conversation, hence my comment about racers.

      Your comment about racers not being heroes is laughable at best. There are different definitions of the word "hero" but having supported our team on the Isle of Man for the TT will show you what the word means in relation to racing. MotoGP is child's play in comparison, but you knew that already from watching for the last 4yrs
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